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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 4:44 pm Post Subject: Chemtrail Pre-Programming?
Ok there's tons of this stuff out there now. Nearly every new movie I've watched in the last year (and some older ones!) shows chemtrails in the sky in the background at least once or twice. Here's 2 very recent examples -
That second one isn't a movie, it's a series of very nice UK fishing videos out on DVD. The snapshots are taken from 2 successive episodes at 2 different locations. These videos really focus in on the beauty of natural surroundings and when you see chemtrails in the sky in them it just ruins the whole picture. It also makes you aware that most people involved either don't see them for one reason or another, do see them but are convinced they're ok or are actually part of the agenda!
I have another fishing video with chemtrails in the background sky about a couple of guys fishing for big carp in French lakes but I think it's on another drive elsewhere as I can't find it right now. Anyway that one's similar but obviously showing chemtrails over France. Also, I know people currently travelling around Europe and they are snapping HEAPS of photos of MASSIVE chemtrail coverage in nearly every country they visit! Will post some of these later if I manage to snag some from them.
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:57 pm Post Subject:
Check out the latest McDonald's ad for smoothies currently playing on TV. You don't need to look too hard to see what's in the sky on nearly every shot :wink:
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:20 am Post Subject:
There was that Qantas/American Express advertisement a few years ago, that was blatantly blatant, but a lot of these movies now, I guess, they just cant get away from them. ( like the trimmed pine trees in the primeval forest in Lord of the Rings.....which NOBODY noticed?!?!?$) I think the main reason for chemtrails, with a few other very nasty reasons in reserve, is weather manipulation. There have been a few around here in Tasmania, not many, but two or three at a time; I've never seen that before. Weeks on end without a single one, as well.
I think you will find, Crakka, if you did the necessary research and meteorological analysis that those trails are contrails.
steve, since the appearance of contrails depends on weather conditions, you could be forgiven in your ignorance and naivety that you imagine that the contrails are causing the weather changes, when actually it is the other way around. You do know, don't you that the contrails are not intentional; not "on purpose", don't you?
Yes, they do some weather modification in Tasmania to induce rainfall in certain catchments. It is only marginally successful, and the WxMod guys will even deny it works at all if they are are blamed for casing weather related damage.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:40 pm Post Subject:
Oh yeah, sorry Ross, the weather has changed so much in the last 15 years that we now have "contrails" literally criss-crossing the sky en masse in many cases, fishing vid just one of many examples, whereas before that we didn't. Thanks for clarifying :roll:
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:29 am Post Subject:
Ross, you say the sweetest things!
I love you too!
That is interesting, about the rainmaking in Tas.
Lived here 30 years and didn't know that.
I'll look into it. I have a very good connection here in the BOM
Oh yeah, sorry Ross, the weather has changed so much in the last 15 years that we now have "contrails" literally criss-crossing the sky en masse in many cases, fishing vid just one of many examples, whereas before that we didn't. Thanks for clarifying :roll:
No problem. I can clarify some more with the help of Bill Woollam...
"The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent contrails exist from 25,000 to 40,000 ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet."
from Peter Kuhn," Airborne Observations of Contrail Effects on the Thermal Radiation Budget" published 1970.
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences Volume 27, Issue 6 (September 1970)
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0469%281970%29027%3C0937%3AAOOCEO%3E2.0.CO%3B2
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There is a similar comment in the introduction of this paper:
On the Possibility of Weather Modification by Aircraft Contrails
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/098/mwr-098-10-0745.pdf
Monthly Weather Review, Vol 98, No 10, October 1970
Wallace B. Murcray (Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska, College, Alaska, USA)
So, these things were common in the 1950s, and reported as common in at least two scientific papers from 1970.
Personally, I don't recall seeing any of these trails in New Zealand skies until about 2002 or 2003. But that's just my poor memory. And that's all the statement is; a judgement on the fidelity of my recollections.
You state, "before that we didn't" as if it's a fact. Clearly, it is not.
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:32 pm Post Subject:
No Ross, it's not just your memory, I remember seeing contrails from Vampire jets in the 60s, and they were something remarkable then.
Never ever once saw contrails from a DC3
Then there were Fokker Friendships, and you sometimes saw small thin contrails out of them, but nothing like the Vampires or Canberra jets. Never saw a fluffy chemtrail out of a 707. Never saw the criss-cross patterns of the last twelveyears in all my travels in the northern hemisphere in the 70s and 80s, years of it, largely living outdoors.
There is something different in the air now, Ross.
And it stinks.
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:06 am Post Subject:
Thanks for the links Ross.
Ross Marsden wrote:
You state, "before that we didn't" as if it's a fact. Clearly, it is not.
Actually "we" didn't. The "we" in this case mainly refers to a group of friends & acquaintances who spent countless hours together outdoors on both coasts during the last 30yrs. Much of that time was spent looking to the horizon & up at the sky while waiting for waves or sitting on the beach. Not one of them remembers ever seeing trails like we see today so I guess ALL our memories are poor.
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:26 am Post Subject:
Ross, you gave us the Murcray ( sp?) link awhile back, I bookmarked them and chased it all up. Question is, are the ice fog phenomena studied in Alaska based on the same physics and chemistry as the recently burgeoning stuff we call chemtrails? The way it looks here, they are being introduced in a graded way. Why would their appearance in the colder, moister air of Tasmania be so much rarer than in regions in Victoria where the air is warm and dry off the central desert? Why do we see spates of them, seemingly unrelated to anything you can reliably put your finger on? Why do satellite photos show checkerboard patterns off the west coast of NZ? And why do airliners spewing these things make detours over small towns, against all previous safety protocols? In these cases it does not seem that they are trying to spray people, because they drift away quickly, but it DOES look strongly like a familiarization campaign.
You state, "before that we didn't" as if it's a fact. Clearly, it is not.
Actually "we" didn't. The "we" in this case mainly refers to a group of friends & acquaintances who spent countless hours together outdoors on both coasts during the last 30yrs. Much of that time was spent looking to the horizon & up at the sky while waiting for waves or sitting on the beach. Not one of them remembers ever seeing trails like we see today so I guess ALL our memories are poor.
Yes, all your friend's and acquaintance's memories are poor, as is my own.
What trails directions are you now observing now, and on which coasts? Do they coincide with airline routes?
Ross, you gave us the Murcray ( sp?) link awhile back, I bookmarked them and chased it all up. Question is, are the ice fog phenomena studied in Alaska based on the same physics and chemistry as the recently burgeoning stuff we call chemtrails? The way it looks here, they are being introduced in a graded way. Why would their appearance in the colder, moister air of Tasmania be so much rarer than in regions in Victoria where the air is warm and dry off the central desert? Why do we see spates of them, seemingly unrelated to anything you can reliably put your finger on? Why do satellite photos show checkerboard patterns off the west coast of NZ? And why do airliners spewing these things make detours over small towns, against all previous safety protocols? In these cases it does not seem that they are trying to spray people, because they drift away quickly, but it DOES look strongly like a familiarization campaign.
I don't recall a Murcray ( sp?) link. You have it bookmarked, so you could post it.
The physical of properties of water are the same everywhere. Ice fog occurs in ice-supersaturated conditions. Contrails (once they have formed) persist in ice-supersaturated conditions for exactly the same reason - the ice particles cannot evaporate into the air when it is in that state.
Can you provide a link to satellite photos show checkerboard patterns off the west coast of NZ? They may be ship trails at the altitude of low clouds. They don't look quite the same as contrails.
What "previous safety protocols" are you talking about? Do you have a photo of video showing airliners making "detours" over small towns? If they where making contrails at the same time that would look pretty distinctive.
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:57 pm Post Subject:
Wallace B.Murcray 1970 your last link in your post above, with the group of links.
No photos, but good consistent sightings of course changes over Lightning Ridge, as you say, amply illustrated by chemtrails.
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:19 pm Post Subject:
Sorry, than that they are. I think. It seems more likely by a long shot, that the chemtrails which come out big and fluffy, are radically different from the contrails which come out pretty well uniformly about a dozen or so plane lengths before dissipating. I've never seen a plane do strange things if it leaves contrails. I've seen quite a few ( like maybe 30 ) do strange things if they're leaving chemtrails.
You get full marks for loyalty and consistency, Rosso, but if you'd seen what I've seen, I feel sure you'd be a lot less sure, to be sure.
