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Tranceformer
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| Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:59 am Post Subject: New Video: Why Is Aluminium In The Rainwater? Geo-engineerin |
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New Video: Why Is Aluminium In The Rainwater? Geo-engineering & Chemtrails in Northland (just over 10 mins long).
While the government denies chemtrailing is occurring, there are blatant attempts being made by the mainstream media to condition the public to it. Why are they trying to hide the truth? What is chemtrailing and geo-engineering really designed to achieve and why is a harmful substance such as aluminium being sprayed into the atmosphere? This YouTube film was made in Whangarei in April-May 2010, in order to draw people's attention to what is going on in their skies. A series of interviews with locals is presented to show how oblivious the majority of people are to what is going on, followed by an interview with 90-year-old Betty Hooper of Hikurangi, who is aware. She suggested that a chemtrail watch group be started in the Northland region.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTaZRLbKB8o&feature=player_embedded
Spread the word.
Thank-you. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 1:54 pm Post Subject: |
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Thanks for the link Tranceformer. Being on this really slow dialup connection atm there's no way I can even attempt to watch vids but will try and catch it later somewhere else :wink:
On a side issue related to skepticism and public programming... I just finished listening to an interview on The Wire program on bFM with a leading Magnetic Radiation Safety "expert" in regard to research linking cellphones with brain cancer. They basically established for the listeners that there was no proof of a link. The host even finished off telling people to go on using their cellphones as much as they like as there is no proof of a link and cellphones (quote) "don't cause" brain tumors/cancer! Believable! (I don't say "unbelievable" anymore as all this programming is totally believable to me these days!). bFM - just another @$#&!!* mainstream programming vessel (pretending to be alternative to appeal to the average idiot who thinks they're intelligent because they don't listen to commercial radio)! |
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schadow2012
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:14 am Post Subject: |
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| haha nice one Crakka i like that "Believable" :twisted: |
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Tranceformer
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| Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:52 pm Post Subject: |
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Hey Crakka
I can post or give you a doco on chemtrails here in NZ if ya like. Just pm me and i can give it to you somewhere out West if that suits....
By the way, it is obvious to many scientists and others that the microwave radiation from cellphones is giving me people brain tumours on the same side of the head as they hold their phone against it! |
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RAC
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| Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:02 pm Post Subject: |
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This is a breakdown of the results in this water test.
A m^3 is a cubic meter, which is 1000 liters, or 1000 kg.
0.058g is 58mg
so it 58mg/1000 liters
The NZ gidelines say that up to100mg/L can be normal for aluminium.
In this case this water test doesn't prove anything out of the ordinary, its just a normal result for a water test. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:38 am Post Subject: |
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That as it may be, are the amounts of Barium at 0.0025 g/m³ and Boron at 0.0166g/m³ also within "NZ guidelines" RAC? The Barium result is way more significant than the aluminium one as far as I'm aware!
Care to share your background or experience with us regarding water testing? I see this is your first post - maybe telling us what interested you to join the forum might illicit a welcome or two from the members - my experience is that most here are fairly friendly and welcome good critical thinking and open-minded constructive discussion :) |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:50 am Post Subject: |
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Just to add to what I asked above, here's a quote from the WHO's own website -
"Boron is not present in the atmosphere at significant levels (Sprague, 1972). Because borates exhibit low volatility, boron would not be expected to be present as a vapour in the atmosphere to any significant degree."
Also, from what I have read in a couple of publications and seen on various sites, Barium should not show up in rainwater at all! It's a little concerning then that where water tests have been done in areas where chemtrails are regularly witnessed and reported (in particular in the US & Australia where many tests have now been done) it is always present to varying degrees. |
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RAC
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:26 am Post Subject: |
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Barium won't show up but you will find its componds like barium sulfate or barium carbonate, you will never find it in its metal form anywhere.
.0025g/m^3 is 2.5mg/1000L
And thats the same as 2.5ug/L or 2.5ppb, this is very low. I know the EPA in the states has set a safe level to be 2ppm(2 parts per million) but here we only have 2.5 parts per billion.
I bit of my background, i'm a no one really, i'm just interested in facts sciences. I see tests like this and i know alot of people must be looking at the litle of the video and not the numbers so i think the its good to put the numbers in prospective.
16.6mg/L of boron looks about normal but i can find the nz gidelines just now, as i must go to work :( |
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RAC
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:33 am Post Subject: |
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| Sorry, look how easy it is to screw up a test results, its only 16.6ug/L so this is very low. But it is rain water, i can only find gidelines for drinking water and ground water but its well withing limits either way. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:37 pm Post Subject: |
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Well... here's how I see it and this will probably be the last comment by me on the subject. By your own admission you're a "no one really", your grammar is absolutely shocking (nothing personal you understand) and you've provided no reason why anyone should hear your "opinions" as anything other than that - just personal opinions from a self-confessed "no one". And here's the clincher -
| RAC wrote: | | ...i'm just interested in facts sciences. |
Dude, please don't be offended at my being blunt but honestly... that makes you sound like a complete idiot! "facts sciences" = an oxymoron in the "opinions" of many, many people who are good critical thinkers & who, unlike the majority today, can still use a skill called deductive reasoning! :wink: Now I may have just stepped over even my own boundaries for interacting here with that statement but maybe you need to think for a moment about what you really said there, figure out why you're really even here in these forums and make your next move accordingly. 8)
Have a nice day! :D |
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RAC
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:42 am Post Subject: |
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It doesn't matter what you think about me does it.
The results still stand, it makes no difference what "my opnion" is as it wont changes the results, just like you opinion wont change the results.
They are what they are!!!!!!
Its not "my" interpretation its just what they are. If someone is going to do a test, to start with they need to know what the results are and what they mean otherwise don't do the test!! |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:38 pm Post Subject: |
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One final comment then...
If I asked you how many sides a coin had, without thinking you'd probably respond rather quickly and say 2 right? The vast majority of people would I'm sure. No need to answer here. Just try to think about it briefly for yourself before you go around regurgitating more "facts sciences" :wink: |
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RAC
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:20 pm Post Subject: |
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Myself i would say the coin has three option to fall on, its just that one of the options is very unlikely.
Results are results! if you like it or not these results show that contrails have not added aluminium to the water. |
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Milutiche
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:29 pm Post Subject: |
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| Cracker has gone overboard on the "Critical Thinking" this time. |
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ChemtrailsNZ
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:50 pm Post Subject: |
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| Milutiche wrote: | | Cracker has gone overboard on the "Critical Thinking" this time. |
When one looks at the evidence of what has happened overseas where this technology has been used for a number of years, there is a lot to worry about. For example, a test of the snow at Mount Shasta in California, where chemtrailing is commonly seen and where it has been occurring for a few years now, found 61,100 parts per billion of aluminium. The snow was toxic.
The rainwater test I did, which was shown in the video, was presented to wake people up to what is happening. I think people need to look at the BIG picture, not just focus on whether the amount found in the water is "safe" according to NZ drinking water standards. They also need to consider that what is being sprayed is likely to include nano-sized particles of aluminium oxide, which can readily cross the blood-brain barrier and damage neurons.
(Incidentally, the 1994 patent issued to the Hughes Aircraft Company – the ‘Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming,’ refers to spreading highly reflective materials in the atmosphere to reflect enough incoming sunlight (1 to 2%) to reduce alleged global warming. Lab tests conducted in the US have found the aluminium found in chemtrails matches the 10 micron aluminium oxide called for in the patent.)
Below is a documentary trailer for “What in the World are They Spraying?”. Information about pH levels that have changed due to aluminium aerosol geoengineering (chemtrails) over northern California is included.
While the forests are dying, and the fish have little food to eat now, because the insects have died off in huge numbers, scientists STILL DENY the existence of this geoengineering/chemtrailing program.
"What in the World are They Spraying?" Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtlOXhSnNw8&feature=player_embedded |
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RAC
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:04 pm Post Subject: |
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But when one looks at what is happening in NZ there looks to be nothing according to the water test done both up north and in nelson.
There is nothing in that water test that should wake people up, its just a water test with normal results, if you went back 200 years and did the same test i bet you would get the same results. |
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ChemtrailsNZ
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:39 pm Post Subject: |
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| RAC wrote: | But when one looks at what is happening in NZ there looks to be nothing according to the water test done both up north and in nelson.
There is nothing in that water test that should wake people up, its just a water test with normal results, if you went back 200 years and did the same test i bet you would get the same results. |
It is not normal to find bright-white particles floating in the rainwater Raymond.
As I stated, one needs to look at the BIG picture rather than focusing on water test results. The results did show that barium was present - barium should not be in rainwater period, as it is an earth metal. Also, the finding of Al reinforces the case that aerosols with Al are being sprayed.
We see the aerosol trails, the bright-white particles and hear that the same spraying is going on worldwide - particularly in NATO countries. As mentioned, the 1994 patent issued to the Hughes Aircraft Company – the ‘Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming,’ refers to spreading highly reflective materials in the atmosphere to reflect enough incoming sunlight (1 to 2%) to reduce alleged global warming. Lab tests conducted in the US have found the aluminium found in chemtrails matches the 10 micron aluminium oxide called for in the patent.
Refer:
http://www.willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/CHEMTRAILS_CONFIRMED.html |
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Milutiche
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:25 pm Post Subject: |
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| ChemtrailsNZ wrote: | | RAC wrote: | But when one looks at what is happening in NZ there looks to be nothing according to the water test done both up north and in nelson.
There is nothing in that water test that should wake people up, its just a water test with normal results, if you went back 200 years and did the same test i bet you would get the same results. |
It is not normal to find bright-white particles floating in the rainwater Raymond.
As I stated, one needs to look at the BIG picture rather than focusing on water test results. The results did show that barium was present - barium should not be in rainwater period, as it is an earth metal. Also, the finding of Al reinforces the case that aerosols with Al are being sprayed.
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1: so you see bright white particles in a water sample but when the water is tested there is nothing out of the ordinary - or atleast you cant provide a base line water sample to compare it to showing the levels of aluminium and barium to be anything unusual
2: you see chemtrails being sprayed over Whangarei, but I then show you that it was in fact a Korean Airlines flight to Seoul leaving a contrail.
What is the "BIG picture" Clare? is it perhaps a series of un educated asumptions and far too much time reading garbage on the internet? |
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RAC
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:28 pm Post Subject: |
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Aluminium makes up 8% of the earths crust, that means dust in the air has aluminium in it, also barium is in the same boat, this stuff is everywhere, its in your body and the food you eat, we are all made of minerals. When the rain falls it collects this dust that is in the air so now contains all these elements.
Did you know tea leaves contain alot of aluminium as much as 30,000ppm has been found in them. where did this aluminium come from, the dirt! |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:31 am Post Subject: |
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As this thread is not presenting a report on a trail sighting maybe it should be moved to "General Discussion - Chemtrails".
With all the distracting activity going on here atm a little bit of housekeeping might help :wink: |
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