Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

Milutiche · Joined: 10 May 2010 Posts: 47

Hi there, ive been looking into chemtrails for the past couple of weeks since my wife saw a sign in Whangarei telling people to google "Chemtrail" "Whangarei"

Ive since become a little bit adicted to the subject trying to find some hard evidence of this aerosol spraying actualy happening.

I see a lot of photos of unusual clouds but I have not yet seen one photo of an identifiable aircraft spraying, if someone could link me to some pics that would be much appreciated.

I also wonder about the infristructure required to cary out such an opperation.

Aircraft, runways, polots and other staff, chemical manufacture etc.

If anyone wants to fill me in that would be awesome.

Jason
Whangarei.

Crakka · Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 1852 Location: The Wild West

Hi Jason, I haven't been around here as long as some of the other folk who may contribute to your query but I'd suggest the following as a start -

Read back through as many of the threads & posts in the Chemtrail section of the forum as you can for a wealth of photos and links - http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/index.php?c=7
Go and spend a bit of time in the Photo Gallery - http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/photogallery/
Check out as many of the links here as you can - http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=229
Check out this actual poster produced in a town in the states by people who decided to investigate it themselves - http://mayanmajix.com/art3852.html

Just the tip of the iceberg. There's literally tons of info, photos and videos out there. There's links in this forum to some really good Youtube vids that are well worth checking.

As for the infrastructure question - that's probably one of the first people who can't comprehend some of the REAL realities of this world always ask :wink: It's pretty much beyond most people's "belief" systems and indoctrination/social engineering to think that something like this might actually be real, organised & involve large numbers of people and that officials would keep it secret from you. Let me ask you this - how much money do you think the richest people in the world have? I would put it to you that when money isn't an issue ie. you have a limitless supply, then anything is within your grasp and there is an endless supply of corruptible and/or compartmentalised minions/prostitutes/"dumb stupid animals" (some will know who that comes from!) only too willing to do your bidding. I could elaborate A LOT further but it's up to you now 8) Go research it yourself - there's more than enough material out there :wink:

Welcome & good luck :D

PS. Just an additional personal suggestion. Listen to these podcasts -

1. Alan Watt, Cutting Through The Matrix - http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/

2. The Celtic Rebel, The Rebel Path - http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/archives.php?who=rebel_path

Crakka · Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 1852 Location: The Wild West

Actually, would just like to strongly suggest you listen to Alan Watt's podcasts from the last 2-3 weeks. He went over the whole geo-engineering thing in some depth and elaborates on the fact that all this stuff has been worked on "behind the scenes" OFFICIALLY for a lot longer than most would imagine.

Milutiche · Joined: 10 May 2010 Posts: 47

"As for the infrastructure question - that's probably one of the first people who can't comprehend some of the REAL realities of this world always ask"

The reason I ask this question is because as a sceptic of chemtrails this should be the easyest question to answer. Unfortunatly nobody seems to be able to answer where the aircraft are leaving from or where they are getting there chemicals from. Just to say that the richest people in the world are behind it so all can be hidden seems to be an easy way out to me.

Are we talking forbes rich list "rich" or is there another group we should know about?

Please excuse me if I sound negative towards this subject, but I am the kind of person who needs black and white evidence to come to a conclusion. If its not available I air on the side of sceptisism.

I belive there are enough people there who seriously belive chemtrails are happening in NZ and if they all put in the hard work, evidence shouldn't be difficlut to find.

Jason

Crakka · Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 1852 Location: The Wild West

Milutiche · Joined: 10 May 2010 Posts: 47

cheers for your response.
I dont expect people to give me all of the answers, but I do expect to be able to find them somewhere.

Do you belive that chemtrails are happening in NZ? if so how did you come to the conclusion that it's true?

secondfield · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 377

Welcome to the forum ...

Its a toughy' figuring this one out. Some thoughts if I was an evil bastard implementing this sort of geo-engineering on the planet, how I would go about it 8)

- The aircraft would have, maybe 4 or 5 (secure, military?) bases around the world. If they are tankers they can travel a long way and back home again. They do not land on soverign soil anywhere apart from their 'bases'.

- They are possibly remote piloted. This is in fact very easy to do, even on a military tanker. Boeing implemented remote piloting systems on their test jets way back in the 70's. Remeber seeing a crash test of a 767 with the wings being severed to see the spread of flaming fuel along the fuselage? Who was the pilot of that aircraft. Yeah right. Ditto 911, why did a transponder channel shut down prior to the aircrafts hijacking? for remote control telemetry of course, but I digress ...

- Compartmentalisation of jobs, which the military is famous for. This is how dirty work gets done by good people. Need to know basis only. Just the bosses know the big picture. I may sound like a crank, but I believe this is how they faked the moon landings. The chaps who designed the lunar landing module didnt know the chaps who designed the space suits. Hence they worked to a design criteria that in the end that wouldn't allow a fully kitted astronaut out of the bloody thing because his pack was too big... the evidence is sitting in the smithsonian institue.

- ATC (air traffic control) in each 'region' (so ive been told) is only aware of flights that concern them directly ie landing and taking off from their airport, they know flight numbers and destinations. Overflights at higher altitudes they track, but are not aware of the more specific info on ie who and where they are going.

Dunno some basic's maybe... sure theres more cunning buggers out there who could make some more cunning suggestions ...

But around NZ it seems specific areas get hit at different times .. Whangerei seems to be copping it at the mo' wellys a couple of years back, aucks more recently and Marlborough / nelson, well... lots... but that may be an entirely different occurence and for different reasons down there too...

Milutiche · Joined: 10 May 2010 Posts: 47

Interesting response, I dont want to go into the moon landing or 911 as those are seperate issues.

As far as having the military involved, are you talking about the NZ Army? I know a fair few people who have served for NZ and I clould have a chat to some of them and im sure they would laugh this of without giving it a second thought, and these aren't people who are war hungry animals, they are people who have joined the armed forces to gain trade qualifications, to meet people, to travel for free and secure amazing careers.

My understanding is that CAA is responsible for New Zealand airspace, as where Air Traffic Control are more responsible for co ordinating flight arivals and departures at commercial airports etc.

I personaly dont think there is any chance our government is involved in this at all,
- there is no advantage for a prodominantly argricultural economy to cause drought.
- population control in a country where we are allowing more and more imagrants in effort to increase our population and GDP makes no sense.
- Chemicals being used to dumb down our citizens when we spend so much money on education also makes no sense.

If these chemtrails are being created from off shore, via long range remote controled drones, without the authorisation of our government surely would know about it - Ive E-mailed many politicians and had no response.

I live in Whangarei and I dont think there has been any sightings confirmed of planes spraying over the city, I have seen a lot of photos of clouds and some of contrails and some ive taken myself ,
I have no adverse side effects (that I know of) energy levels good, no colds or flus.
We have had some days of consistant rain lately after a big low in the tasman finaly moved over to give us a well deserved dumping.

People get caried away saying things like "the dryest autumn in 50 years" in every 50 years there has to be a dryest and a wetest dosn't there?

secondfield · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 377

No, the NZ army wouldn't know @$#&!!* about these sorts of operations... I was regular force for 10 years in communications, joined to acquire my trade like you stated. Made some great friends too ...

The 'Airways corporation' of New Zealand controls our airspace. It is administered by the CAA. I have a gut feeling 'airways corporation of' any country has ties to intelligence agencies and military industrial multinational corporations. What a strategic asset, controlling the soverign airspace of a foriegn country. Maybe you could dig up a bit more about who our ' Airways Corporation of New Zealand' is actually owned by.

Personally, I think it should have remained a state (ie publicly owned asset), like our telco's, power generation facilities and public transport services USED to be. Before those wankers (Prebble and co) sold them all off to their buisness buddies to milk for profit and run into the ground, then use taxpayers money to buy them back in dire need of maintenance.

Anyway, Im not expecting you will even get the courtesy of a response from our political 'leaders' weak kneed, visionless, spoonfed bunch they are.

You could probably almost guarantee no one in PUBLIC office (govt) knows about (or is even privy) to these possible operations. Its a huge experiment being run from very far behind the scenes.

As for the money being spent on education, it seems like a ruse to pull on the heartstrings of taxpayers. Education these days does not teach anyone to think critically or question anything. Its about compliance and keeping the status quo .Oh - Good to see a balanced article on flouridation today at stuff.co.nz. Seems like a wee bit of logic is starting to find home again...

Milutiche · Joined: 10 May 2010 Posts: 47

schadow2012 · Joined: 24 Oct 2008 Posts: 147 Location: sunny northland

compartmentalisation

Milutiche · Joined: 10 May 2010 Posts: 47

A Butler · Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Marlborough Sounds

Think about bro :-k

A Butler · Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Marlborough Sounds

Think about "it" sorry

secondfield · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 377

muttongun · Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Posts: 17

"Ive since become a little bit adicted to the subject trying to find some hard evidence of this aerosol spraying actualy happening."

I have seen planes at easter time above Nelson laying trails. I cant prove what they were spraying or why the trails all lined up parallel, starting and finished at the same place.

No one can really say.

That is the problem, all people want to know is, whats gonig on! and the fact that no one knows and people can not get any answers from the government says it all.

Its suspect to say the least.

And saying that they are Contrails is crap, NZers are not that stupid, or are they.

Crakka · Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 1852 Location: The Wild West

Been trying to sit back & stay out of this one to a large degree for, I think, obvious reasons. My fellow posters have all added good relevance to this thread :wink:

Crakka · Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 1852 Location: The Wild West

In relation to the above (sorry for the slight digression - some comical relief of sorts maybe?)... Those who've been getting more speeding tickets than normal lately as the screws are applied locally will probably relate to the truth of this... :wink:

muttongun · Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Posts: 17

Crakka · Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 1852 Location: The Wild West

You're right of course! See, everyone's so well trained that even as their lot gets heaps worse and things get harder they all still keep dealing with/putting up with the symptoms and never deal with the cause. How long can this behaviour go on? I'm actually quite amazed at how much CRAP people put up with from their so-called rulers and their "dogs". Methinks it's gonna have to get A WHOLE LOT WORSE before the average person even bats an eyelid... believable! :?

Milutiche · Joined: 10 May 2010 Posts: 47

I have to say that over the past 3-4 weeks ive tried to find some hard evidence of chemtrails and got absoloutly nowhere.

Ive learnt a lot about contrail formation and the avation industry, Ive learnt that far to many people have trust issues wtih there governments and military, ive learnt that a fair few people who belive in chemtrails also have doubts about the moon landing, 911 and probably need to start wearing armadilla hats.

Im told by a chemtrail beliver that to accurately identify a trail you must know - elevation, humidity, temperature and the Applemans Chart.
In my opinion, without the realvant data, claims of chemtrails in photos and videos are nothing more than asumptions.

http://contrailscience.com/ is apparently a misinfo site setup by payed agents to lead people to belive that chemtrails are a hoax - but where's the misinfomation?
Ive seen photo's of "lense flare" with people claiming that "theres somthing in the corner of the photo and I can see it spraying"
Just yesterday I saw a photo of a plane that apeared to be flying over its own shadow but Im suposed to belive that its "space based markers" why not use a GPS or Compas to navigate?

This whole chemtrail conspiracy is soo floored im blowen away by how many people have fallen into another paranoid trap.

I suggest to anyone who gets caught up in this whole debarcle, go and live you life, and dont waste days, hours or even minutes on this garbage.

Peace, Jason

muttongun · Joined: 21 Jan 2009 Posts: 17

Well done

As you were

A Butler · Joined: 08 Mar 2008 Posts: 100 Location: Marlborough Sounds

Milutiche,take a holiday in Marlborough for a few weeks,if you dont notice anything strange above you then cool,go back to sleep. :grey:

Milutiche · Joined: 10 May 2010 Posts: 47

If only I could afford a trip down there, I do perfer hawkes bay wine but im sure there are a few nice bottles around that area

secondfield · Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 377

So the debate at last has been cleared up - phew thanks for that I can sleep peacefully at night now Milutiche has spoken ....

For anyone these days to still believe 911 was not an act of controlled demolition after doing some very BASIC research (yes - I do have an engineering degree), probably should be drinking Australian wine actually. Probably couldnt tell the diff anyway if the TRUTH be known..

Please have a listen to Richard Gage speak (architects and engineers for 911 truth). Before you start declaring that 'all is okay guys, heads back in the sand'.
Its probably a little easier to find HARD evidence re this and them you can start working your way up to the more 'challenging' issues.

Best of luck anyway, we do really need it.

Milutiche · Joined: 10 May 2010 Posts: 47

I thought the 911 comment might have touched a soft spot.

Crakka · Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 1852 Location: The Wild West

Saw this one coming ten miles off guys hence...

Milutiche · Joined: 10 May 2010 Posts: 47

Crakka · Joined: 07 Aug 2008 Posts: 1852 Location: The Wild West

Meanwhile... funny how I mentioned "getting more speeding tickets than normal lately as the screws are applied locally" and this comes up almost immediately afterwards...

No more excuses - 5km over limit is now too fast - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3769925/No-more-excuses-5km-over-limit-is-now-too-fast

Actually, a couple of paragraphs down it sounds even harsher - "...motorists found to be more than 4kmh over the open road speed limit will be ticketed". 4kmh over? Wonder how many cops drive within that range either on or off duty?!

Oh but hang on... the police are trialling a "zero tolerance policy to cut road deaths". Ohhh, sorry, so the police care about us! They don't want us dying on the roads! Silly me! :roll:

schadow2012 · Joined: 24 Oct 2008 Posts: 147 Location: sunny northland

hey yeah the media was pushing that news hard and fast yesterday. What was really ironic i thought on the six o'clock snooze they started with the item that going down today there is going to be a protest on the road between puhoi and wellsford because of the road delays on holiday weekends and the rural users get pissed off and then the rest of the news (apart from that sad story of the taxi driver in cumbria breaking out with the guns) was about that blimmen four kms over limit "because of speeding" - and then there was a "story" about our speedos arent calibrated properly and apparently the older the vehicle the slower your speedo (not the budgie holder kind hehe) tends to be - omfg to quote rolf harris "so which foot"? lol :twisted:
like my flatmate said this is a test to get us more "used" to stuff - and i was a bit more flatulent haha and said yep social conditioning ................