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Majortom
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| Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:05 pm Post Subject: UFO over Whenuapai |
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Date: Late May 2009
Location: Whenuapai, Auckland
Time: Approx 19:25
I was walking the short distance back to my sleepout from the carport when I noticed a bright white light travelling moderately quickly in a northerly direction overhead.
Considering the fact that I live very close to RNZAF base Auckland I assumed that it was a night training flight although I didn't recall hearing any aircraft taxiying or taking off from the base (I live in such close proximity that any aircraft movement is audible). I then noticed that the object wasn't displaying the mandatory navigation, tail and rotating anti collision lights. There was no sound whatsoever.
I watched the light until it disappeared from sight. I estimate that it would have been at an altitude of around 2,000 - 2,500 feet and travelling at around 200kts. The weather conditions were clear and cool with no cloud cover. Stars were visible. The light was far too large to have been a satellite and it definitely wasn't a meteorite.
I grabbed my airband scanner and tuned into Whenuapai tower. It was off watch. I waited in case it was a light aircraft flying into the Dairy Flat aerodrome but there was no radio activity to suggest this. I then checked domestic and international arrivals and depatures from Auckland International on the internet but there were no movements for that particular time. I called Whenuapai the following morning and spoke briefly to ATC but they confirmed that there was no flying activity in or out of the base during that particular evening. Aircraft still operate when the tower is off watch but a message warning of military flights and runway in use is broadcast on the Whenuapai ATIS. There was no such warning message on the ATIS that night. As a matter of interest, Pilots still broadcast intentions and position even when the tower is unoccupied .
I am unable to confirm that what I saw was an aircraft .There was an absence of sound and nav/warning lights which is highly irregular and unusual (not to mention illegal). I am satisfied that there were no domestic or international flights at that time and I am very confident that my height and speed estimates are acurate approximations.
I am an aviation enthusiast, a former Air New Zealand ramp employee and I have lived on RAF stations in the UK during night flying training so I am very familiar with aircraft at night. I have also observed such nocturnal activity from aircraft at RNZAF base Auckland and believe me, they make a noise and always display their nav, tail and anti collision lights. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:52 pm Post Subject: |
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| Welcome Majortom. Thanks for sharing your interesting observation with us :) As far as I'm concerned now, West Auckland especially around or just off the coast, is a hotbed of activity of one kind or another. Most people aren't looking for it and so never see it :wink: |
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ruapaka
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:20 am Post Subject: |
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Haere mai Majortom
Thanks for your post - interesting. I know someone who told me of similar sighting down these ways (Marlborough). |
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A Butler
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:06 am Post Subject: kia ora Majortom |
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| have seen the same thing down here.Have you read any of Bruce Cathies books? If you havent I would recomend them,especially living where you do. |
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Majortom
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:23 pm Post Subject: Re: kia ora Majortom |
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| A Butler wrote: | | have seen the same thing down here.Have you read any of Bruce Cathies books? If you havent I would recomend them,especially living where you do. |
Hi!
I used to work with Bruce Cathie's niece but I had read his harmonic books before meeting her. I'm not quite sure what to make of his theories and the maths made my head spin :) |
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Majortom
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:34 pm Post Subject: |
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| ruapaka wrote: | Haere mai Majortom
Thanks for your post - interesting. I know someone who told me of similar sighting down these ways (Marlborough). |
Hi Ruapaka!
I was expecting to read something about it in the Herald the following morning as I thought that someone else would have noticed it or reported it to the Police (as sometimes occurs) but there was nothing. I'm glad to hear that someone else though has seen something similar in Marlborough. |
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Majortom
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:42 pm Post Subject: |
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| Crakka wrote: | | Welcome Majortom. Thanks for sharing your interesting observation with us :) As far as I'm concerned now, West Auckland especially around or just off the coast, is a hotbed of activity of one kind or another. Most people aren't looking for it and so never see it :wink: |
Hi Crakka,
I have been reading with interest the chemtrail saga over West Auckland. The first I heard of Chemtrails was from an American 'paranormal' talk show hosted by Art Bell - that was around 5 years ago .
I'm certainly going to take a more active interest in the skies around West Auckland from now on. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 1:23 am Post Subject: |
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| Majortom wrote: | | I'm certainly going to take a more active interest in the skies around West Auckland from now on. |
Good to hear! Hopefully that means we'll see some photos from you too :wink: While others I know out west are aware of what goes on and have seen the odd activity, they don't all work outdoors like me and so are not usually "in the right place at the right time" to be snapping evidence. More photos very welcome - especially if it's of the same things I capture occasionally so we can compare angles etc (plus my camera's a bit low tech so better shots would be good!). |
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schadow2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:29 am Post Subject: |
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| and plus i'm really jealous because i sleep upstairs with my curtains open (hehe not pervy) to watch the skies and i missed it (probably cos i face toward the city lol) but hey majortom do you hear aircraft flying at really weird hours of the night the last few months? also people isnt there a lot of odd activity reported between hobsonville and birkenhead whatever that waterway is ? |
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schadow2012
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:32 am Post Subject: |
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| god i'm back :oops: - reported not in the mainstream |
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A Butler
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:53 am Post Subject: shadow2012 |
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| interesting your comment on aircraft flying at weird hours in the last few months.We have noticed a lot more overnight flights down here in Marlborough.All the aircraft seem to be heading east to west or vice versa.Definiteley a lot more activity and the fact I am a light sleeper I know it is not usually like this. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:54 am Post Subject: |
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| schadow2012 wrote: | | ...do you hear aircraft flying at really weird hours of the night the last few months? |
Yep :wink:
| schadow2012 wrote: | | also people isnt there a lot of odd activity reported between hobsonville and birkenhead whatever that waterway is ? |
I work up Kumeu way regularly and see the Orion(s) flying that path back & forth repeatedly quite often. Always thought it was just their main approach to the Whenuapai base but I did notice a huge increase in activity after the planes arrived back after their refit.
One thing though - most of those short trails I take photos of out west drift right into that area or at least the more western end of it. The last one I photographed was "normal" looking (for a trail!) until it got closer and then those striations formed in it in a very short space of time. Strange from where I was observing...
| A Butler wrote: | | All the aircraft seem to be heading east to west or vice versa. |
Have definitely noticed that a lot more over Auckland. Not every single time but definitely way more regularly now. Have official flight paths changed in more recent times with an (noticable) increase in traffic or something? Maybe John or Melody have info on this considering the work they've done. |
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Majortom
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:31 pm Post Subject: |
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| schadow2012 wrote: | | and plus i'm really jealous because i sleep upstairs with my curtains open (hehe not pervy) to watch the skies and i missed it (probably cos i face toward the city lol) but hey majortom do you hear aircraft flying at really weird hours of the night the last few months? also people isnt there a lot of odd activity reported between hobsonville and birkenhead whatever that waterway is ? |
Hi Schadow,
I have monitered (by radio) very early morning flights out of Whenuapai but I have to say they have been for search and rescue missions.
The last time I was woken by an Orion in the early hours was on the morning of the ferry tragedy up in Tonga. The 757's have made some early morning departures but this isn't unusual as they have been ferrying our leader Mr Key to some exotic overseas locations.
The interesting thing about Whenuapai is the ocassional appearance of a seemingly civilian Cessna Citation. I haven't been listening to the tower when it's arrived or departed but I have heard it and seen it parked near the Seasprite hanger.
The Orions and Hercs have been conducting a lot of training flights (touch and gos etc) and the Seasprites have been doing quite a bit of nightflying but apart from the early morning SAR & 757 ministerial Airline flights , I think it's beeen pretty normal overall. Remember that there is also an aviation club at Whenuapai and there has been some light aircraft activity at night - mainly missed appraoches and touch and gos.The aircraft normally remain in the circuit and repeat the process. Try watching Coronation Street when the Seasprites are doing circuits!!!! |
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Majortom
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:45 pm Post Subject: MILITARY EXERCISE WEST AUCKLAND |
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A large military excercise is being conducted towards the end of August in, amongst other places, Riverhead Forest so there will be a lot of helicopter activity in and out of Whenuapai during this time. The notice I saw also advised that there will also be a lot of military vehicles on the road during the period(presumably based at Whenuapai for the exercise).
So don't panic - it's not a saucer recovery mission or NZ's version of the Rendlesham Forest incident :) |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:46 pm Post Subject: |
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| I wouldn't wanna speculate or anything but... if those strange trails out west are connected in any way to HAARP and HAARP amongst other things can be used to track things such as submarines/other submerged vehicles, and the orions are primarily submarine hunters and radar platforms (and of course they had a recent refit in Canada I think it was), and there's a military exercise out west this month in the same vicinity as all these trails have been seen... Of course, that's probably a complete wild goose chase but... it does make one wonder what military technology might be getting tested during that exercise... 8) |
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schadow2012
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:18 am Post Subject: |
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| thanks for the info majortom . With the ex having been ex-airforce I have lived near bases over nz so I pretty much know the sound of all the aircraft but some of these in the early hours sound really "weird", sorry for the layman explanation :oops: I have heard one a few times (tho not lately) and it sounds like a car braking with no brake shoes ... maybe you can enlighten me :D |
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Majortom
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:55 pm Post Subject: |
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| schadow2012 wrote: | | thanks for the info majortom . With the ex having been ex-airforce I have lived near bases over nz so I pretty much know the sound of all the aircraft but some of these in the early hours sound really "weird", sorry for the layman explanation :oops: I have heard one a few times (tho not lately) and it sounds like a car braking with no brake shoes ... maybe you can enlighten me :D |
I was going to say it sounds like the boyracers that freely terrorise Whenuapai most nights (without fear of any Police action of course)..but seriously that is an extremely unusual sound that you've heard and one for which there is no explanation. Sorry to have left you unenlightened over the mystery noise... |
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Majortom
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:16 pm Post Subject: |
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| Crakka wrote: | | schadow2012 wrote: | | ...do you hear aircraft flying at really weird hours of the night the last few months? |
Yep :wink:
| schadow2012 wrote: | | also people isnt there a lot of odd activity reported between hobsonville and birkenhead whatever that waterway is ? |
I work up Kumeu way regularly and see the Orion(s) flying that path back & forth repeatedly quite often. Always thought it was just their main approach to the Whenuapai base but I did notice a huge increase in activity after the planes arrived back after their refit.
One thing though - most of those short trails I take photos of out west drift right into that area or at least the more western end of it. The last one I photographed was "normal" looking (for a trail!) until it got closer and then those striations formed in it in a very short space of time. Strange from where I was observing...
| A Butler wrote: | | All the aircraft seem to be heading east to west or vice versa. |
Have definitely noticed that a lot more over Auckland. Not every single time but definitely way more regularly now. Have official flight paths changed in more recent times with an (noticable) increase in traffic or something? Maybe John or Melody have info on this considering the work they've done. |
An aircraft's approach is affected by the wind. The two runways in use at Whenuapai are 08 / 26 (080 and 260, roughly east / west orientated) and 03 / 21 (003 and 210, roughly north/south orientated). Aircraft take off and land into the wind - the runways are purposely built to the directions of the prevailing winds in the area.
As the approach headings haven't changed it would seem likely that you are noticing an increase in traffic . Whenuapai does have a third runway but it isn't used due to poor condition. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:41 am Post Subject: |
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| schadow2012 wrote: | | I have heard one a few times (tho not lately) and it sounds like a car braking with no brake shoes ... maybe you can enlighten me :D |
Hmmm, that's a bloody good description actually schadow! I've heard it too so I know what you're talking about. I've heard it a few times and wondered WTH it was to be honest - really loud and with that almost impending sound of a plane trying to get itself out of danger before it crashes (well that's a hollyweird description anyway, hope you get my drift!). Either that or approaching the loudness of a fighter jet roaring right past really close to you as it just about reaches the lowest point of a high-speed dive. However, I've seen the plane making this sound twice recently. Both times I heard the really loud horrible sound it was approaching and then just before flying overhead it returned to a more normal, much quieter sound. For those that haven't witnessed what we're talking about, if the plane's close when it happens - IT'S A REALLY LOUD SCREECHY SOUND that makes you "Oh my [insert deity of choice]! What the hell?!!!" and will almost have you ducking for cover! Can't remember actual detail but it was a smaller twin-engined "commercial-looking" grey or silver aircraft (but with no obvious commercial markings) from memory. |
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Majortom
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:29 am Post Subject: |
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| Crakka wrote: | | schadow2012 wrote: | | I have heard one a few times (tho not lately) and it sounds like a car braking with no brake shoes ... maybe you can enlighten me :D |
Hmmm, that's a bloody good description actually schadow! I've heard it too so I know what you're talking about. I've heard it a few times and wondered WTH it was to be honest - really loud and with that almost impending sound of a plane trying to get itself out of danger before it crashes (well that's a hollyweird description anyway, hope you get my drift!). Either that or approaching the loudness of a fighter jet roaring right past really close to you as it just about reaches the lowest point of a high-speed dive. However, I've seen the plane making this sound twice recently. Both times I heard the really loud horrible sound it was approaching and then just before flying overhead it returned to a more normal, much quieter sound. For those that haven't witnessed what we're talking about, if the plane's close when it happens - IT'S A REALLY LOUD SCREECHY SOUND that makes you "Oh my [insert deity of choice]! What the hell?!!!" and will almost have you ducking for cover! Can't remember actual detail but it was a smaller twin-engined "commercial-looking" grey or silver aircraft (but with no obvious commercial markings) from memory. |
The King Airs (used by the RNZAF as multi engine training and VIP transport) do make a distintive sound but I'm wondering if you've seen and heard the Cessna Citation that I have spotted sometimes on the tarmac. The Citation is a smaller twin jet engine commercial aircraft and the one I've seen doesn't have any obvious marking..... |
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