Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

[solohawke]

Breaking News Story: CRU has apparently been hacked – hundreds of files release

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#more-12937

http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM2009/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_457_Top_Climate-Fudging_Professors--The_Higher_They_Climb__The_Harder_They_Fall_Nov232009.mp3

[solohawke]

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/

[solohawke]

http://www.climatedepot.com/

And if you want to read those potentially incriminating emails in full, go to An Elegant Chaos org where they have all been posted in searchable form.
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/index.php

[ruapaka]

Thanks for links Solohawke ... I read about this a couple of days ago in the Herald andI thought - YES!!


I heard on National Radio the other day that there is going to be a piece on the Climate Change issue - looking at the evidence AGAINST what is being said. All I got was "Thursday, before the news at 9:00pm" . I'll try and catch it.

[Crakka]

Watching both sides of this with interest :wink:

[solohawke]

on tv or radio ruapaka?
i havent seen anything in the dominion about the suspect emails etc.

[ruapaka]

On the radio .... I tried their website and programme schedules - couldn't find any specific reference to 'Climate Change' ...

.... a piece of tonight's schedule ...

[ruapaka]

... I've had a full-on day ... caught last couple of minutes of interview with an Eric (Brenson?) from the MET service ... he was concluding that his findings (reading) was that the climate is warming. So .... obviously the interview was pro climate change in content ... grrrrr .... I thought, "just maybe".

I wonder if the hacker / info leak story was raised?

[Crakka]

Well I thought this was interesting and totally understandable given what we know so far (and maybe also based on experiences of people on this forum who were here before I joined?!) -

Uh, oh - raw data in New Zealand tells a different story than the "official" one.

And then this from across the ditch - 5 frontbench Liberal MPs resign rather than vote for the emissions cap and trade scheme!

Ripples of Climategate? Liberal MP's desert Turnbull in Australia over emissions trading scheme

Obviously in corporate-controlled media and elsewhere we are going to see exactly the type of complete BS we always expect from the huge number of egocentric paid-off little minions who are "just doing their job". That of course was the most common plea at Nuremberg as you may already know :shock:

[Melody Anderson]

[solohawke]

yep i listened and it was definitely propaganda.
the guy was a woffler and said nothing substantial to prove his case its man made.
you could tell the interviewer was pro, or was scared to admit he had doubts, wouldn't want the collective turning on ya now would ya?

[Crakka]

Look how they hardly paid it any attention in this TV3 article. They're in full damage control trying to minimise it down to nothing for the sheep. Pretty much the same script that's already done the rounds in the US.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Key-now-likely-to-attend-UN-climate-change-conference/tabid/419/articleID/131963/cat/67/Default.aspx

The public comments are good though! Only one complete moron when I viewed it - the majority made comments about NWO, etc! And John Key's living up to his role ay?! First tell 'em I'm not going then say I am! Classic! Mind you his lord & saviour's going now so I guess he has to go kiss the feet or whatever else they kiss behind closed doors 8-[

[solohawke]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/shocking-un-document-divulges-climate-cult-brainwashing.html

[smashdracs]

http://www.openureyes.org.nz/blog/?q=node/2503

[Crakka]

Top form smash! :wink:



Give the sheep a bit of FREE entertainment and they'll fall for anything ay? Literally!

[Crakka]

BTW WELLINGTOM PEOPLE - NOTE THE TOP OF THE POSTER - BEING STREAMED LIVE ONLINE! MAKE SURE YOU GET PLENTY OF EXPOSURE WITH YOUR POSTERS!

(Wish I could be there with you but pressing business this weekend - will send good thoughts!)

[solohawke]

The Myths Of Global Warming - Pt 1
By Peter Eyre
12-1-9


Do you think they are lying? Of course they are!
Are we serious about greenhouse gases and our carbon footprint?
What is behind global warming?
Could global warming be a natural phenomenon?
Is there some other hidden agenda behind this urgent push?

Does it mean aggressive economic growth for the exclusive developed and developing nations and more economic suffering and extremes of poverty for the Underdeveloped? I will let the readers be the jury and decide who is telling the truth, the scaremongers who apply all the pressure but do little to make drastic reductions themselves or those that have no choice to do what they do in order to survive.

Does anyone consider that natural occurrences can have a significant impact on the world's environment? Do normal people fully understand who has made a major contribution to the worlds environmental pollution and what they have done to cause dramatic changes in both temperature and dew point in our atmosphere? Could it be that the G20 are the ruthless culprits and want others to pay stealth taxes or dramatically alter their owns means of energy? Are they forcing them to buy the west's technology such as nuclear power etc and in doing so cause them to fall into extremes of debt and in turn makes them less competitive.

We see an unprecedented push by Obama and Brown to rush this through whilst at the same time many experts are challenging their views and others have grave doubt as to the authenticity of the data provided. So let's look at this aggressive push and then look into the history of our environment and its climate. We will also look into the damage already done to our planet by many of those G20 countries who continue to do so.

Alistair Darling has urged the world's top finance officials to reach an agreement on bearing the cost of fighting climate change before a UN summit on global warming next month.

Addressing finance ministers and central bankers from the Group of 20 rich and developing nations Namely Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, Turkey, the United States and the rotating EU presidency on Saturday, Darling said that tackling climate change is an "urgent problem."

Darling wants officials to agree on a finance package to help poorer nations develop green industries and adapt to climate change. The EU has already agreed to a euro100 billion annual package of public and private finance by 2020 and is urging the U.S. to lay out its position.

The G-20 finance officials are also discussing ways to secure future global economic growth.

It is important for all of us to focus and fully understand the underlined comment above and realize that behind every bold statement lies some sinister global plan of economic greed and global control. We should all take a step backward and not let such people as Obama and Brown bulldoze this in Copenhagen. We should not let David Miliband and his brother Ed Miliband use scaremonger tactics to rush this along. Headlines last month read: "David Miliband sets out to shock on global warming tour"..Has he taken over his little brother's role as Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_State_for_Energy_and_Climate_Change

Al Gore (the eternal savior), who blinds us with propaganda whilst making himself incredibly rich is at the head of this pack of lies. Of course we are abusing our planet earth but there are many others measure that can be taken without punishing those countries that are less fortunate than ourselves. I could give so many examples of the abuse by theG20 countries and also examples on how to drastically reduce this so called carbon footprint and at the same time save us much money. It would take a totally different mindset by our leaders, government (both national and regional) in order to improve our respective footprints. If they are truly sincere they alone could really make a difference. I will give one very good example in another article of this series just to highlight the magnitude of our respective governments neglect. My example will prove that this is truly a totally false façade and what we are going through is a natural cycle which is amplified by some of our own government's policy. So now let's turn the clock back and investigate ourselves what is really happening in this wonderful world.

During the Viking period we saw these incredible seafarers embark on extremely long and dangerous sea journeys. It is believed they travelled from Scandinavia, through the Arctic Circle and then via the North West Passage into the Pacific. Between 800 and 1100 CE a warmer climate prevailed. The Vikings established a colony in Greenland and for the first century or so they and their descendants enjoyed a good life. Around 1000 A.D. the climate was in an extraordinarily warm phase. Some 350 years later the climate had cooled considerably but still perfectly habitable. Ivar Bardson wrote that "On the mountains and lower down grow the best of fruits, as big as apples and good to eat. There also grows the best wheat that exists." Life in Greenland was hardly the rough outpost existence we might expect."

However by 1200, climatic change allowed the arctic ice pack to creep farther southward, making navigation in Greenland waters increasingly hazardous -- even in summer. The colonies' decline accelerated. As the twelfth century ended, the climate reversed. Ice crept southward; all over Europe snow fell lower on the mountain slopes, upland trees died. Pack-ice cluttered the coasts of Greenland, and then tightened an Arctic noose to strangle movement.

Now we are at last starting to see the truth in relation to the earth natural cycles and evidence will show how these cycles bottomed out into the Little Ice Age and is now again starting its next cycle. We also have to understand that despite all these geniuses that exist and computer whiz kids, the earth and its environment cannot be programmed and these so called computer models are only pure estimates. It is also a fact that during the transitional period fluctuations can occur in either direction as we will see.

During the onset of this ice age vessel were still able to penetrate the North West Passage and even with this onset people still lived in the area. The deteriorating climate gave a clear indication when the ocean temperature fell 1-3 deg. C and the Arctic summer front retreated 4-5 deg. of latitude. Sea ice stayed all year in sheltered Bathurst Inlet and east Coronation Gulf, inevitably disrupting sea-mammals and their hunters, but with little effect on caribou.

Sailing vessel activity continued in their attempts to transit the passage and fluctuations in conditions resulted in some success from time to time. We have to understand that the ice conditions in this region are all based on many factors: The Earths own cover of vegetation i.e. jungle/forest ­ desert ­ water and the polar ice caps themselves. The suns heat energy and the level of that heat arriving on the surface of the earth is subject to the condition of the atmosphere above it.

The earth is like one big washing machine and has the ability to cleanse itself in so many ways. The seas/oceans circulate hot and cold currents, the air masses circulate hot and cold air masses and over a very long period of time the earth's crust also circulates when "Teutonic Plates" collide. Some fold down under the other and enter the earths Mantle when it again is circulated and others ride over. The plates themselves are fully mobile and move very slow over millions of years making deserts turn into tropical climates and vegetated land turn into deserts and huge mountain can be forced upwards. Volcanoes form above land and below seas/oceans all of which add to changes in temperature both below the sea and the earth's atmosphere. Volcanic ash can become a serious problem for planet earth. Such major events in the past have caused major climate changes as the energy of the sun is reduced by airborne particles.

In the next article we will look at the various systems that affect our climate and the pollution after the industrial revolution and Victorian Times. This will then follow with the state of our environment during the "Cold War" including my own experience in the Arctic Circle. It is hoped that as we work through this series you will all fully understand that although we continue to damage our planet it really is not the major factor leading to Global Warming. It is a natural phenomenon and we can certainly all help to ease the onset but not in the way our leaders are planning. They are creating a panic scenario for purely commercial gains and with their continue economic greed the poor of the world will not only end up paying the price by way of stealth taxes but also create more poverty in the underdeveloped world. Could we possibly see the day when ones own "Flatulence" becomes a taxable issue!

[smashdracs]

That was me on the news on TV1 tonight holding up the sign saying man-made global warming is bullsh*t outside parliament today. Shame they didnt show the footage of my global fascists dictatorship/NWO ranting at all the brainwashed loons. Man did I cop a load of crap today in the middle of that crowd....

[ruapaka]

Hey Smashdracs .... I saw the news item and the sign (your sign) ... I was sign reading - not notice you. Way to go ... in the face of adversity, etc .... Thanks Smash - you never cease to put a smile on my face - the world could do with basket loads of your kind.

[smashdracs]

Thanks, I have written a brief report about the day here http://www.openureyes.org.nz/blog/?q=node/2523

Thanks to all the guys who turned up with video cameras etc to film and photograph us, I do not think we would have been safe there yesterday without them.

[Crakka]

Thanks for this smash, will post links to your article elsewhere for others to see :wink: Good to see the Welly people who actually used their brain & got active on this issue! Man, the sheep are unbelievable! BAA-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A!

[solohawke]

yea thanks smash for taking a stand.

The Corbett Report recently sat down with Dr. Tim Ball, a retired professor of climatology at the University of Winnipeg to talk about Phil Jones and the Climate Research Unit. Here, two months before "Climategate" and the hacked emails, we talk about the highly secretive nature of the CRU at East Anglia. To read Dr. Ball's article on the subject in the Canada Free Press, follow this link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8CVh2deXTI&feature=player_embedded

[smashdracs]

Im going to have to watch my back obviously, I was just attacked on the street about 1 hour ago by a 40ish year old male on a bicycle, I cant post what he said due to the language used but I had to throw punches to defend myself, he jumped off his bike and threw it at me!
He obviously remembered me from yesterdays protest. Im a bit shaken by it to be honest :shock:

[solohawke]

Bloody psycho sheeple, be careful man.

[secondfield]

Thats not on man .. what the hell is wrong with these buggers?

[ruapaka]

Not good news about getting a bash Smashdracs ... do you know anyone who can do some protection work with you? - keep you safe from personal harm (I was thinking spiritual - but hey, if you know any intimidating big buggars - that'll work). Be mindful of 'backdoor' mischief - the 'not-up-front' kind of harrassment.

All power to you Smashdracs!!


In the NZ Herald this morn ...

[Crakka]

I'm convinced more than ever that the majority of the public are suffering mental illness and quite probably beyond help. There can be no other explanation for what we see happening everywhere at the moment... I had to pop into the supermarket on the way home after working late (as my organic store was closed). The guy in front of me at the checkout bought a big bag of *blank* brand potato chips, a 2 litre of coke and a big bag of tobacco. When I came through with a loaf of Venerdi 6 Seed Organic gluten-free bread, 2 cartons of organic rice milk and a jar of Zito's organic tomato paste the guy behind the counter said "Well I guess that's about as opposite as you can get from what the last guy just bought!". Hehe! I hate going to supermarkets... (sorry to digress)...

On another note, just about all of my customers I talk to regularly don't believe global warming is real. The one or two that are on the fence simply say they don't know enough about it to make a call either way (I've given them links etc though). I think if you took a "REAL" public poll the figures wouldn't be surprising to us here :wink: As usual though despite their beliefs most people won't take a stand because they've been too well trained to just shut up & take it! Sad but true methinks...

[A Butler]

Great stuff Smash,you have our support thats for sure.

[smashdracs]

Check out this cartoon from the protest march

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2802/4169989031_c0081363b0_b.jpg

[secondfield]

Well done, frame that bugger .. :lol: