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schadow2012



Joined: 24 Oct 2008
Posts: 147
Location: sunny northland

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:49 pm    Post Subject: forced vaccination  

http://www.naturalnews.com/026562_vaccinations_NaturalNews_The_Constitution.html

I have been wondering what to do when/if we are going to be forced to take the vaccinations. I have no idea about legalise or rights so apart from kicking them in the noots what can one do?
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smashdracs



Joined: 23 Nov 2005
Posts: 1001
Location: Wellington NZ

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:43 pm    Post Subject:  

Hopefully we get fair warning before it happens. They will be authorised to use force against us so our only real option will be to avoid them. Did you ever play hide and seek as a kid?
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Tranceformer



Joined: 07 Jan 2009
Posts: 164
Location: Auckland

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:46 pm    Post Subject:  

Well here is what they are advocating for you to investigate or do should the powers that be try to introduce compulsory vaccinations.

LEGAL ACTION YOU CAN TAKE AGAINST FORCED VACCINATIONS
By birdflu666

If you live in the USA, Canada, Japan or Europe, you could be forced to take a vaccination against the swine flu this fall.

But you can take legal action today using documents ready to download from a website in Switzerland. Many thanks to Detlev Hegeler for risking an attack by hackers!

Balance of article here:
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/legal-action-you-can-take-today-against-forced-mass-vaccinations/

and there was this useful article from Mercola:

Rest of this article at the link below: (USA specific too)

How To Legally Avoid Unwanted Immunizations Of All Kinds

As you read this work and put its principles into practice, there are two basic axioms you never want to forget. They are the rock upon which all your actions are based.

Nobody, anywhere or any time and under any circumstances has the right or power in this country to immunize you or your children against your will and conviction. If they attempt to do so, you can legally charge them with “assault with a deadly weapon” and have the full resources of our laws behind you.

At all times in attempting to avoid unwanted immunization, you have the Law of the Land behind you. Those who would try to vaccinate you against your will are on very shaky ground. Into every compulsory immunization law in America are written legal exceptions and waivers which are there specifically to protect you from the attempted tyranny of officialdom. It is not only your right, but your obligation to use them, if this is what your conscience tells you.

Rest of article here:

http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/legally_avoid_shots.htm


Discover your rights. Keep reading www.uncensored.co.nz and maybe subscribe to Health Freedom NZ alerts from here: http://www.healthfreedom.co.nza nd maybe contact www.ias.org.nz - the Immunisation Awareness Society for advice.


You will not have to be vaccinated. I will NOT be. Sure in some countries those non-compliers will be forced off to FEMA camps but we don't have any here in good ole little ole NZ do we??!! :P
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Crakka



Joined: 07 Aug 2008
Posts: 1851
Location: The Wild West

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:01 pm    Post Subject:  

More good links to spread around, thanks. I got similar stuff from naturalnews.

As for FEMA type camps here - think again! I'm pretty sure there's similar things set up - just maybe not to quite the same scale as the US. Someone here linked to a video they shot 2 or 3 years back where they filmed a place with inwardly-turned barbed wire on top of a high fence around a compound that looked like it could be used for this sort of thing.

Also, if you check the wording of that Epidemic Preparedness Act 2006 it looks like any legal stance you might wanna take could be on shaky ground if a civil emergency is announced (what do you think all the ads on TV and billboards for the last few years have been for!). At the very least it would be an excuse for them to act first and ask questions later imo. That description of the act again from the naturalnews link -

Under the Epidemic Preparedness Act 2006, broad powers are granted to the Medical Officer of Health in response to the threat or emergence of a new epidemic. These powers include the ability to require a person to undergo a medical examination (section 70(1)(e)); require persons, places, buildings, ships, vehicles, aircraft, animals, or things to be isolated, quarantined, or disinfected (section 70(1)(f)); require people to remain in quarantine until they have been medically examined and found to be free from infectious disease, and until they have undergone any prescribed preventive treatment (section 70(1)(h); close any premise (section 70(1)(la) or all premises within a certain area (section 70(1)(m)(i)-(ii); forbid people to congregate in outdoor places of amusement or recreations, whether public or private (section 70(1)(m)(iii)-(iv); and take possession of personal property including land, buildings, vehicles, medicines, and other things, and for purposes including the accommodation or treatment of patients, disposal of bodies, transportation of patients, medical personnel, medicine etcetera (section 71(1)).

These powers are automatically engaged when an epidemic notice is issued, much like the set up in the U.S. which allows for similar powers to automatically come into effect with the declaration of Pandemic Level 6. A Pandemic Level 6 alert was declared on June, 11th.

The powers of the Medical Officer of Health include ordering the removal of any person to a hospital for isolation if he or she has reason to believe or suspect that the person, whether suffering from an infectious disease or not, is likely to cause the spread of any infectious disease (section 79).


I haven't checked the actual document itself so there could be legal "outs" but I doubt it somehow in the case of an announced civil emergency and/or pandemic. Also, my main concern is that the Medical Officer simply appears to be handed the ability to completely do away with your personal rights in this situation and make decisions at his/her discretion... something that always happens in times of either war or civil emergency or both (they both at least allow controllers to remove the civil rights "barrier" to getting things done!).
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Tranceformer



Joined: 07 Jan 2009
Posts: 164
Location: Auckland

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:13 pm    Post Subject:  

Hi Crakka

Well at least in the UK heaps of peope are saying no thanks!!

Brits tell goons with needles to stick it where the sun don’t shine

The trial balloon went up today on the UK government’s efforts to impose a mass mandatory vaccination program against swine flu, but judging from the response on a major newspaper website, millions of British citizens will tell the goons with needles to stick it where the sun don’t shine.

Sky News reports today that, “The entire population could be vaccinated against swine flu as health chiefs draw up plans to build a nationwide immunity to the disease.”

According to health authorities, they plan to have 60 million plus UK citizens vaccinated by this time next year, despite the fact that only one healthy person has died from swine flu in Britain.

The resounding response to the government’s efforts to prepare everyone to accept the shot is a vehement, “I don’t think so!”

rest here: http://www.infowars.com/brits-tell-goons-with-needles-to-stick-it-wher e-the-sun-dont-shine/

And these are the idiots can we can all thank personally!

Here is a link to the people on the current SAGE committee who are recommending mass vaccinations:

http://www.who.int/immunization/sage/SAGE_MEMBERS_2009_current_posting _June09.pdf

“Appointment is made by the Director-General of WHO following recommendations of an external selection panel.”

(I wonder just who the “external selection” panel are made up of?!!)
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Crakka



Joined: 07 Aug 2008
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Location: The Wild West

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:51 pm    Post Subject:  

Hi Tranceformer,

Good to see followup articles like this and of course in peacetime we certainly have this option. I for one definitely ain't getting no more vaccines willingly!

As for SAGE (Soldout And Gave Everything?) - I think it goes without saying that these types of groups are always "appointed" by some "external panel". I mean, even the group to run the shiny new supercity (I wanna vomit everytime I see or hear that) in Auckland was "appointed" (by a mix including leading business interests) - the first time any group to steer a local body was not elected in the entire history of NZ politics. It's a sign of the times - increasing arrogance in the face of potential growing resistance - get things done as quick as possible and hope they (the general public) don't twig to what we're doing. We know it's obvious - it's a pity the majority of general public is still not seeing it for what it actually is.
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smashdracs



Joined: 23 Nov 2005
Posts: 1001
Location: Wellington NZ

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:03 pm    Post Subject:  

The law (Statutory) in NZ is clear. Once the Ministry Of Health has declared a pandemic they can vaccinate anyone by force if necessary.
They can also confiscate property.
If you want to get out of it lawfully you need to write a "notice of intent" saying you will not accept any vaccine (stamped and signed by a Notary Public) and serve it to the Poolice, Govt and MOJ, you will then need to write a "claim of right" claiming personal sovereignty over your own health and choices (also signed by a notary public) and serve that to the above departments and all and anyone else you can think of to serve it to... (It is not quite as simplistic as I just made it sound but....)

Your only defence under law is to use Common Law, you wont win using Statutory law because it is gamed against you completely.
We live in a Common Law jurisdiction. The Law Society and Govt hope you never figure out what that means by the way.....
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Tranceformer



Joined: 07 Jan 2009
Posts: 164
Location: Auckland

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:56 pm    Post Subject:  

Thanks Smashdracs! You are indeed a great source of info! When i am next in Welly on business i'd love to catch up, maybe if the trip coincides with a Sthn Cross film night that'd be a huge bonus!

Cheers
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Crakka



Joined: 07 Aug 2008
Posts: 1851
Location: The Wild West

Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:27 am    Post Subject:  

I agree, good tips thanks smash! Obviously this is info more pertinent to local conditions. Has anyone attempted to put a guide together for the average person new to all this? It'd be really good info to get out to those who are just starting to wake up & smell the tyranny and want to get onto it as quick as possible as what appears to be the only kind of safeguard we might have!
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smashdracs



Joined: 23 Nov 2005
Posts: 1001
Location: Wellington NZ

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:26 am    Post Subject:  

http://www.openureyes.org.nz/blog/?q=node/1965
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Crakka



Joined: 07 Aug 2008
Posts: 1851
Location: The Wild West

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:33 pm    Post Subject:  

Thanks heaps for that link smash :wink: Valuable info to pass on yet again!
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Tranceformer



Joined: 07 Jan 2009
Posts: 164
Location: Auckland

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:29 pm    Post Subject: Great sites for info on Swine Flu  

Here is an excellent repository of Swine Flu articles at the one site:

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=newsHighlights&newsI...

for those wanting to do more research....

Cheers

New Zealand's very own Uncensored Magazine's website is
www.uncensored.co.nz and has many good articles re the Swine Flu and
Health in general.

Specific health sites i like are: (that really tell you how it is in
this world!)

www.naturalnews.com
www.mercola.com (Dr Mercola's site)
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/
http://www.tetrahedron.org/ (Dr Horowitz site.)
and New Zealand's own http://www.healthfreedom.co.nz/
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