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St John, Camp Bell and the Dept of Confiscation
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Niksta



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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:30 pm    Post Subject: St John, Camp Bell and the Dept of Confiscation  

Well, there ya go, from the horses mouth, 1080 is safe - whew thank glod for that!

1080 the female number - and who is there to speak for the luminous DoC?
1080p high def screen anyone?

Good on those brothers for taking on Goliath in that doco!

:D
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Crakka



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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:12 am    Post Subject:  

All hail science! Amen!

Just watched it now on the TV3 website.

Yes, DOC were VERY selective in choosing a spokesperson weren't they :wink: And didn't she go out of her way to ram home the safety issue! Just look at these 2 sentences -

"Issues that we have with ground control come down to practitioner's safety, how safe it is to be in some of these areas and how effective their control methods can be. We have been able to see that with aerial applications of 1080 and the right tools in place it is safe, it is cost effective and we can treat those large areas of land."

"practitioner's safety"? FFS! I'm pretty sure an experienced trapper would rather be running around all over the place in "unpolluted" bush than having to worry about the potential SAFETY HAZARDS of frickin 1080! Geez! But that's what it comes down to now eh! I was working for a local authority when the Health & Safety Act came in and that one piece of legislation tipped the workplace environment on it's head overnight! Now you daren't even breathe the wrong way for fear of breaking the law and you can't do any job on council land without a great big long approved H&S Plan listing every single possible hazard and every single preventitive measure you've taken to ensure your own, your employees' and the public's safety... Certainly increased the already massive beaurocratic process by quite some amount!
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Niksta



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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am    Post Subject:  

I must find the quote where HG Wells says "The foot soldiers of the NWO will be the bureaucrats"
Like political correctness, EVERYONE can see it's malignant but no one seems to be able to stem the evil tide.
Oh my gOSH .. we can't move.

This stuff really is like some B grade science fiction horror, where it's so obvious, so wrong and just keeps happening.

Did a quick search for 1080, and there is quite a bit of resistance, it's a 'bit' heartening knowing lots of folks know. :)
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Crakka



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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:59 am    Post Subject:  

And during your search if you read the lines from official government depts in both Australia, Tasmania & NZ you'll find they're practically identical. This from the Dept Of Primary Industries & Water in Tasmania -

"Poisoning of non-target animals may occur with 1080 baiting. However, the impacts are either localised, or limited to individual animals and do not result in significant adverse effects on the non-target animals at a population level."

They basically just repeat each others propaganda. Could this be because usually the propaganda is written by the company producing the actual chemical? I know for a fact this used to happen all the time with local councils! I've seen it firsthand. The best example would be the propaganda seminars put on by Monsanto when they launched Roundup. I was at one and all the lines that were fed to us like "breaks down completely when it hits the soil" and "lower LD50 rating than table salt, coffee and most other household compounds" were then given out in printed material and then fed to the public WITHOUT any further independent testing. In other words it was just accepted that Monsanto was operating "under the rules" and therefore what they were saying was true. Pretty much the same way the general public accept just about anything an "expert" tells them...

PS: Shouldn't this thread be merged with smash's one seeing as it's really followup commentary on his initial notification of the article? Better to have it all in one place rather than spread around the place :wink:
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Crakka



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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:12 am    Post Subject:  

Source link for that Tasmanian dept is here btw (forgot to include it) - http://www.dpiw.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/WebPages/RPIO-4ZM7Cx?open
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Niksta



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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:58 am    Post Subject:  

Yes your right about the thread sorry, I was momentarily reverting to my sun bleached blond hair.

Your right about the exspurts, they used to be a spurt now they're a drip.
Bottom line in these council / bureaucrat situations, "what can I do to avoid responsibility and any sort of effort, just give me the money and the social status"
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