Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ

[Crakka]

Ok! Spotted a persistent trail being laid over Henderson way around about midday. By the time I pulled up the car and got the camera out the trail was still there but the aircraft had moved off. As usual in this area it wasn't a complete right-across-the-whole-sky trail and it was a sneaky, sneaky behind the clouds one too! :lol: Also this one seemed to be running more south-to-north than SW-to-NE. The photos didn't come out that clear but then most of you know what my technology limitations are by now! I assure you if you'd have seen this with your eyes you'd have been in no doubt - it is a solid band of ejected trail as opposed to some of the straightish line cloud formations seen lately. First one taken from Waikumete side of Glendene & second one down in Henderson -





Then about half an hour later in the same general vicinity that the trail was this appeared as the clouds moved away -





At about 6.30pm there was some pretty amazing stuff up there above Swanson area -





Then just after 7pm from Scenic Drive spotted the familiar oilslick colours on a patch of cloud -



But then as I was taking photos of that I noticed a little patch of rainbow colour starting to appear just to the right of the oilslick stuff! Airborne particulates galore I'd say - the moon was even covered in a fuzzy haze for the first hour or two of darkness later on. What a day! :)

[Crakka]

Btw, in the last 4 photos the first 3 were filtered through a sunglass lens because of the direct sunlight but I purposely didn't filter the last one (sun behind the tree) to show there's virtually no difference in what you see of the light phenomena.

[ruapaka]

Thanks Crakka ..... you are seeing very much the same sort of skies as down here ... that spot of light - very similar to what I caught on 29 Jan .... very!!

I went to find out more about 'sundogs' after posting the intense spot of light ... mmmm - I am often not sure what to believe - (they have been changing txt books to cover the anomalies in our skies - for sometime now) ... anyways ... from what I read sundogs appear on an arc / halo ... I don't see anything in your images or mine that would be evidential of the sun having a halo. Maybe I need to read a bit more, but I'd consider putting money on the 'spot' of light being difficult to write off as a natural occurrence.

I ponder the point that these type of sightings are a new thing (at least for me in my area) .... why? that's probably where the explanation is.

Here is a link to a site I was checking out sundogs on ...
http://www.atoptics.co.uk/rainbows/notabow.htm

[Crakka]

Yeah man, I'm pretty certain the idea that these things only appear on "arcs" or "halos" is bull as I've seen them now in different positions in the sky in relation to the sun, in several different locations and at different times of the day. Certainly I've seen colouration on the edge of coronas as mentioned here (although not the best examples seen) - http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1271

However, I do think the ones I've seen so far quite probably have something to do with the way light from the sun reflects/refracts off "something" or is maybe even manipulated in some way (automatically as a result of foreign particulates in the air or more ominously, in some kind of manual way at certain times, who knows at this stage?).

What I do know though is that we've now seen various different examples of rainbow-type & oilslick-type colourations at all times of the day and at different aspects in the sky, especially in relation to the sun's position. The oilslick ones in my experience always tend to be seen in close proximity to the sun's location although not necessarily within or on the edge of a corona/arc/halo but the rainbow colours seen on those wispy cirrus clouds or as "sundogs" as you've mentioned are not. This fact about the rainbow-type ones leads me to believe that they are not just a product of light reflection/refraction form the sun within a certain distance from it, if you get my drift.

Here's an example posted earlier of one of the clearer rainbow-type ones I've seen recently - http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1225

Thanks for the link ruapaka. Will check it out soon (gotta dash!)... :)

[Crakka]

Ok, just couldn't resist and checked out that link now. I've actually been there before at some stage and I've seen many examples of the types of "bows" listed.

However, the prevalence of what we're seeing now on otherwise beautiful, hot, dry summer days, and indeed on days with quite different weather conditions, has definitely increased in occurrence. I've always looked up and I've never seen so many examples of this stuff all over the place as I've seen lately. Quite simply you just didn't see this kind of thing as commonly as you do now. The only conclusion I can make at this stage is that it's probably NOT JUST water particles causing this phenomenon - if it is then why are we seeing much more nowadays? Are we supposed to believe there's more water particles around up there now than in the past or something? It just doesn't quite make complete sense to me...

[schadow2012]

i do know that i have seen sun halos since i was little especially up north on the west coast so that is a phenomenon that in my eyes isnt overly new (ps: nor am i lol) :shock:

[schadow2012]

i am a dick - sorry i didnt finish reading the posts - i have seen more in the past month :oops:

[Crakka]

It's the fact that we're seeing more of all this stuff within the last few years that's more telling. There'll always be certain times of the year when phenomena are more prevalent but when you add up the total amount of annual sightings in the last few years compared with all previous years that's when you know something's different :wink:

[Niksta]

Are you poor swines living in Auckland... :D .. getting any respiratory problems?

I live in Gisborne, and have seen no chemtrails. Having been a surfer and cloud watcher all my life, I know that clouds do some weird shapes and behavior.
Not to detract from the fantastic service of keeping folks up to speed with what's happening, it's just to look at these photos often, one could be forgiven for thinking it's just clouds.

As I say not to be negative, as I have NO doubt of chemtrails existence, it' just it keeps feeling like if someones teetering on the edge of believing and they see photos that aren't convincing they will prolly think this is just Rorschach blot stuff?

Also I am utterly aware that photos very rarely do justice. :)

I got inspired to write this, as I went for a walk this morning and some of the shapes up there today, with the nor wester and heat convection, you would think g*ds been smoking something :D

[Crakka]

You're right of course about clouds! :) I see tons of stuff that looks amazing now amidst the odd "normal" days but obviously don't post everything I see. Wow! I mean we actually had at least 2 days of completely clear skies over the long weekend :roll: which has been quite rare this summer. I've been a surfer myself over the last nearly 30 years and like yourself I'm someone who always has an eye on the sky and my natural habitat in general. I do know that these days sightings of strange sky phenomena in the form of specific types of cloud formations and light refractions (for want of a better term), not to mention trails of one form or another, are WAY more common annually than they've ever been. I certainly don't think that's just because more people have had their attention brought to it as the media likes to say with anything that starts to get noticed more (think reporting of certain medical conditions like ADHD) - I'm talking just from my own experience and obviously others my age & older have noticed it too. Whether that's due to a change in natural causes in the case of the clouds & light remains to be seen but in the case of trails that's obviously man's doing one way or another. To conclude that the 2 are related is probably also speculation without hard evidence or testing but it seems to be a worldwide thing. You'd probably have to admit that the argument for metal particles in the air (which have been proven to be at least part of the fallout from trails in other countries) having a similar effect on light refraction to ice crystals is "probably" quite a good one. What I do know is that we have a LOT of people worldwide photographing & filming the same stuff on a regular basis with much of the trail footage from overseas being VERY graphic and hard to explain as just commercial flight trails ie. those latticework ones across whole cities! Either they're all lying or overly paranoid or there's actually something factual to the conspiracy that keeps getting denied or fobbed off as something else. Anyway. I rave...

Having said all that, when I saw how the photo of the short persistent trail turned out I wasn't actually going to post it cos it looked pretty unconvincing to be honest. However, when I spied the oilslick stuff AND then the little rainbow spot formed to the right of it as I watched as well in the same day I thought bugger it - I saw the thing being formed so I'll risk being labelled "iffy" and post anyway. If you like you can ignore the trail shots and just consider this yet another light phenomena sighting report! :)

Oh and in regard to respiratory problems - I've been asking neutral people with asthma (people that have no view on trails either way) if their asthma has seemed worse or the same on days when I've seen the odd trail or noticed "changes" in the clouds and the general response so far is yes although not significantly so, so not conclusive. One person seems to suffer much more on "weird" cloud days that end up with a thick haze across the city - this is very noticeable. One other has actually almost gotten rid of symptoms altogether by going on a full-on course of natural herbal medicine! Being someone who keeps pretty fit & healthy with regular daily exercise, a fairly simple organic diet and no history of any medical problems I haven't really noticed anything dramatic myself. :D However, other people I know have remarked about varied respiratory hinderances - sore throats, wheezy chest, blocked noses, slight shortness of breath, etc on certain days like this and these have been people with no history of hay fever or respiratory problems so it's possible they're feeling the effects of something in the atmosphere that wasn't affecting them previously. And no this wasn't the start of them getting a cold in the cases I'm talking about - this is just symptoms during summer that weren't persistent over days and didn't develop further. Again, obviously inconclusive. Who knows...

[Niksta]

Cool Crakka, nice one. The reason I asked about the wheeze ease, is when the infamous painted gypsy moth was being sprayed, a mate of mine in upper Henderson, said he got a nasty reaction. Now that was a fully tragic dose of nonsense upon nonsense. I confess to feeling more than a passing emotion when I saw a clip of the weather woman showing the plane doing it, on the background of a evening sky, and she commented "how beautiful it was" *barf!* Un fuzzing believable!

But the other thing I didn't point out before which is pretty obvious when you have seen the massive crisscross lines on satellite pics, is this stuff gets blown around, prolly large areas, and while Aucks is blessed with a persistent sou wetterly, which blows the normal dross out to sea, at some point presumably the entire earths atmosphere is gonna have residue.

The trouble with diagnosis as well is, there is no test universe for us to pop into to see what life is like without one or more variables.
One of the reasons I took NWO research seriously is because my own health seemed to go down hill fast a few years ago, and as a fellow organic munching surfhound, I was a bit miffed.
I had to get some self mastery going when I realised how many cell towers were going up in the area. You could go nuts worrying about it.
To make it all the more crazy these monstrous towers seemed to go up near schools???

Anyhoo, keep the photos coming, and if they seem a lil iffy doesn't matter, at least we are demonstrating awareness.

Speaking of awareness and on a different tangent, if you haven't already this vid is utterly essential viewing to keep the flames of self awareness raging in the ragged fight against you know who. :D

It's Bruce Lipton ( no not the teabags :)
The guy is a fuzzing genious

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8950549020166531913&ei=lXaPScP6IqO6qAOylKmgDQ&q=bruce+lipton

[Crakka]

[Crakka]

Just to briefly step off-topic slightly I should've added that everybody should watch Bruce Lipton's stuff. He explains a whole bunch of stuff very well! For those who still think the "chipping" of human beings would be with these funny little "hard-copy" things you see on TV and that you put in your dog's neck - think again! That particular myth makes us believe we actually have a choice of whether to "take" the chip or not - I've always thought that if "they" wanted to chip us we simply wouldn't have a choice! I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this right :wink: Anyway, there's another forum for discussion on that subject...

[Niksta]

That's right, Crakka, everybody should watch Bruce Liptons stuff, because he has made a very important point in another media frenzy that usually passes under the radar.
The subtle but destructive "meme' that we are victims of our genes ( no not the tight faded, or bell bottom variety )
How many times have you heard some white coated priest announce he has found the gene for *insert favourite variable* blah blah. By itself it seems harmless - but you get a parade of them saying "your screwed folks, and it's all your genes, in other words, your uselessness is predestined, just lie down and passively be farmed"

But what's great about Mr Lipton is he then goes on to explain how that this is not only wrong, but the solution to our own self imposed problems, is to get conscious and awaken to the fact that life is fractal and holographic in nature, and so IF you know your own being via awareness - your no longer pushed around by our unelected in masters, ( mentally at least ) and your awareness resonates with others in the world on the same path.