Mysteries, Chemtrails, Aerosols :: Mysterious NZ New Zealand based Discussion Forums The strange & mysterious, archaeological anomalies, modern oddities... Current affairs, health & medical issues, Aerosol Spraying in NZ... ...and general interest: ARCHIVES
Joined: 08 Mar 2008
Posts: 100
Location: Marlborough Sounds
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:47 pm Post Subject:
Hi Ruapaka,I was out looking at exactly the same time as you.The main activity was behind you up the back of the Wakamarina(I would call it more the upper Wairau Valley).Took 2 photos but buggered if I know how to put them on here.I think I might have managed to get them into the photo gallery.I then dropped my bloody camera on the concrete and its now stuffed. Usually the east west flights go over us, but these ones were more over the Wairau.Anyway they are very busy today,so you will get heaps of photo ops.
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
Posts: 1001
Location: Wellington NZ
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:32 pm Post Subject:
Yes the sky over Wellington was an awful mess today, it would have been otherwise spotless sadly.
When I got up there were huge trails to the east stretching for miles and miles and in the afternoon they were one after the other after the other to the west.
Yes it has been a busy day with a mixed bag of cloud forms and trail types - and directions (S-N, N-S, E-W) ... I was wondering about this time last year ... September rings a bell - but the weather doesn't ...gonna check out some old posts later on.
Meanwhile ... here are some more images of what it was like here today ....
The glare was intense as the haze began to form so I used my trustee sunnies to filter some shots ...
... the old and the new ...
... interesting shadowing ... sunnies used
... patches of cloud forms passing through ..
... condensed cloud form ... these always intrigue me ...
... sitting in the veranda which faces NNW - to my left ... haze, persistent trails and condensed cirrus forms ...
.... compare to my right ... clear of haze, contrail. This space of sky was earlier cloaked with haze and trails. The drift was eastward - par for the course round here.
I have observed small clouds forming and evaporating in same area. I have a series of pics I will put into motion and post.
Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Posts: 21
Location: Hamilton, NZ
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:31 pm Post Subject:
Nice pics.
The cloud formations in a couple of your pics are very similar to formations up here after the trails have gone through. Interesting.
Keep that camera clicking dude. :D
Joined: 07 Aug 2008
Posts: 1847
Location: The Wild West
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:21 am Post Subject:
John Anderson wrote:
A 'good day for trails in middle NZ...
Here's the NOAA Sat image of 1 49pm today (7th Sept 2008). Lots of interesting stuff...
I'll say! Looks like a busy weekend alright by all accounts! That map really is full of odd-looking stuff compared to other similar ones I've looked at. "Those curvy lines over the Tasman" almost follow the curve of the land don't they. As for the "trail" I've circled on your map below in the upper Bay Of Plenty area - well that's just too straight to be a natural occurrence surely!
Joined: 15 May 2007
Posts: 973
Location: north-east victoria
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:13 am Post Subject:
that straight line is eye-catching, Crakka, as well as the little lines of cloud all even-spaced and parallel to it, which run right up the spine of the Coromandel.
you could believe they might all be natural, if not for that long straight line, almost never seen in nature
Joined: 07 Aug 2008
Posts: 1847
Location: The Wild West
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:06 pm Post Subject:
My thoughts exactly Steve. You don't really even have to look that long & close to see that the cloud formations above the top half of the Nth Island are just about entirely made up of fairly uniform parallel lines, natural or not (?). That long, completely straight one just looks so unnatural and is certainly fuel for suspicion in amongst the rest.
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:33 pm Post Subject:
For efficient researching and to get the most out of the NOAA sat images, It helps to know what you're looking at when interpreting.
For example:
Quote:
With this band combination, vegetation shows up as green and dense cold (high) clouds as white. Thin cirrus cloud, which is semi-transparent at visible wavelengths, appears red, while warmer low clouds will have a blue tint. Depending on ground temperatures, snow may also have a bluish tint. If the satellite orbit is close to dawn, the visible and near-infrared components (blue & green) may be lost towards the edge of the image giving a red appearance to the sea. If the sun angle gets below 2 degrees elevation, our algorithm sets those two components to zero leaving only the thermal (red) band.
The cloud in question seems to have a bluish tint...
As for the "trail" I've circled on your map below in the upper Bay Of Plenty area - well that's just too straight to be a natural occurrence surely!
steve clougher wrote:
Quote:
that straight line is eye-catching, Crakka, as well as the little lines of cloud all even-spaced and parallel to it, which run right up the spine of the Coromandel.
you could believe they might all be natural, if not for that long straight line, almost never seen in nature
Now, as to long straight non-contrail natural clouds, they are quite common actually and are often seen on the NOAA and other Sat pics...
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:21 am Post Subject:
Quote:
by the way, how is it verified that these common long straight clouds are natural??
If a cloud forms in that manner then there is a reason for it to do so, cause and effect - it has to do with topography, altitude, wind speed and direction, relative humidity etc.
There's some good articles on Wiki and various meteorological sites that explain it better than I can...
In order to be able to identify a genuine Chemtrail, you have to be able to eliminate all the fake ones... :D
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:50 pm Post Subject:
To further clarify:
Roll, Wave and Gravity clouds are all relatively low altitude clouds and appear bluish on the NOAA sat pics. Persistent Contrails on the other hand are high altitude and have, to all intents and purposes, become Cirrus clouds and thus are red tinted on these pics. In two dimensions, every cloud appears to be the same height so the need to differentiate by colour. Blue tinted clouds are not Contrails or Chemtrails.
Atmospheric Gravity Waves ripple the surface of the ocean and shape the clouds over New Zealand and off its shores in this Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) image captured by the Aqua satellite on November 7, 2003. Also called Atmospheric Internal Waves, Atmospheric Gravity Waves occur when a uniform layer of air blows over a mountain or an island. Before encountering the obstacle, the atmosphere must be stratified.each layer must have a uniform temperature and density, which only changes with height. When the air runs over the obstacle, in this case, New Zealand, the horizontal ribbons of uniform air are disturbed and a wave forms. The disturbance impresses its pattern on sea waves when it touches the surface of the ocean. In the air, Atmospheric Gravity Waves are manifest in wave clouds. Notice how both the clouds and the waves in this image have taken on the same pattern.
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:54 pm Post Subject:
Ruapaka wrote:
Quote:
I think this would be another example of 'naturally' occurring lines of cloud.
An image I have previously posted. Just the one 'chemtrail' in this pic ...
It's not easy to tell from a photograph Ruapaka, what those line clouds are. You can't beat direct observation, if you see a trail being progressively formed behind an aircraft, then it is a Contrail. If you observe that contrail persisting and spreading, then it is a Persistent Contrail. If the direction of the trail does not reflect a normal flight vector (as determined by our flight vector map), does not relate to aviation timetables (though could, of course be a corporate jet), is anomalous in respect to atmospheric conditions not supporting the creation of persistent contrails at that time, then you may consider that trail to perhaps being a Chemtrail. Now, if said trail in some way exhibits other strange characteristics such as pink and green hues, is of a brighter than normal white, is formed by an invisible aircraft, is part of a recurring pattern of trail formation none of which fits normal vectors and timetables etc, then you would be justified in labeling the trail or trails as probable Chemtrails.
It's not easy, we spent a lot of time (years) and money researching and verifying our Marlborough sightings of April 2003, as you are probably aware. It does take a toll on one's life (Chemtrail burnout), but as a result we verified that what our eyes were telling us back in 2003 was indeed, high strangeness. At least we verified it to ourselves - taking the matter to 'court' is another matter...
With respect to your pic, it may be interesting to access the NOAA sat pic archives here( http://satellite.landcareresearch.co.nz/noaa/?history=+lp ) to see if there exists an image that relates to the date and approx time of your pic. It may be possible to ascertain the height of the cloud patterns by their hue. If they can be seen to be low altitude, then you could perhaps dismiss the possibility of them being Chemtrails. Remember that the time info related to all the NOAA images are NZ standard time
What would be nice would be the existence of a full-time capable scientific researcher in the Marlborough region, being the 'hotbed' of Chemtrail activity that it is, but that is probably not going to happen in our lifetime. Perhaps we could ask Owen Glenn for a donation to fund it. :D
Hey there John .. I feel a bit brow beaten - my skin's a little thin maybe.
I need to say ... I deliberated for some time whether I should use the word 'chemtrail' - (note that I inverted the word). I do not use 'chemtrail' as many others do - because I cannot use it with conviction for the reasons you are on about in your last couple of posts here on this thread. I am not a scientist - just a prudent observer ... and a fairly reliable reporter. :) If you go over the text in my posts I doubt you will find the word used by me - not until my last post here. I was being a bit sheeple - tut tut.
The topics I post are to provide a pictorial report of what I may observe in the Marlborough area - as initiated by Smashdracs some time back by way of request ... and as such create a reference of activity, as well as stimulate discussion etc etc......
John wrote:
Quote:
What would be nice would be the existence of a full-time capable scientific researcher in the Marlborough region,
HERE!! HERE!!
I have knowledge and skills in observational techniques ... what I do not have is the free time to undertake a sound and scientific approach to what is occurring in our skies. I would do it for nothing if I had the time to do it right.
With respect to your pic, it may be interesting to access the NOAA sat pic archives here( http://satellite.landcareresearch.co.nz/noaa/?history=+lp ) to see if there exists an image that relates to the date and approx time of your pic.
I tried and there is no archive for the day the image was taken - 18 Nov 2007 - 1934hrs.
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:41 pm Post Subject:
Very good reply Ruapaka,
I certainly did not intend to browbeat you, of all people. :cry: Sometimes I may take the opportunity given by a particular post to 'pontificate' a bit, to a wider audience, about the need to research and verify. While knowing, of course, that we all have to make a living and that these issues are not the most significant stuff in peoples lives, and really, nor should they be... It would be nice though, to flush out some scientific type who was willing to do the 'hard yards'.
Quote:
The topics I post are to provide a pictorial report of what I may observe in the Marlborough area - as initiated by Smashdracs some time back by way of request ... and as such create a reference of activity, as well as stimulate discussion etc etc......
That is exactly what they are and are thus of extreme value and I hope you long continue your efforts. :) BTW, it would probably be of greater value to MNZ if you would upload your pics to the MNZ photo gallery, we could create a gallery specific to you. Such as here: http://www.mysteriousnewzealand.co.nz/photogallery/index.php?cat=11
All your pics could then be browsed en masse. I know you probably find uploading to Flickr nice and easy, however, our admin is staffed by helpful and cheerful staff who will guide you effortlessly through the process. :D Just say the word (PM to admin) and it will be done...
Its fairly safe to say there were chemtrail operations in progress on Fathers day sunday. Visiting my parents after lunch, sitting out on the deck of their house there was a constant barrage of lines in the sky that even my mother commented didnt seem natural. I almost feel I let the side down with no pics, sorry folks.
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:24 am Post Subject:
Deano wrote:
Quote:
Its fairly safe to say there were chemtrail operations in progress on Fathers day sunday. Visiting my parents after lunch, sitting out on the deck of their house there was a constant barrage of lines in the sky that even my mother commented didnt seem natural. I almost feel I let the side down with no pics, sorry folks.
Well at least NOAA was capturing some of it off to the West of you, as evidenced by the sat pic reproduced above. The pattern of trails don't seem to fit the flight vector map though we don't know the effect of the wind (was it SW?) which can move a trail 100s of kilometres relatively intact.
I've often thought that the best recording method may well be with a video camera set to wide-angle, on a tripod, aligned to show not only a large portion of the sky, but also recognisable landmarks in the frame, with it's internal clock set very accurately and with time display if possible...
Joined: 23 Nov 2005
Posts: 1001
Location: Wellington NZ
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:28 am Post Subject:
The best capture would be time-lapse taken pointed at a certain direction using zero zoom over a period the whole day. Then produced into a sped-up film of a few mintues.
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
Posts: 387
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:54 am Post Subject:
Sounds good Smash, go for it...
There are some amazing video cameras in development at present that will see, for example, a change in the way media photographers and photojournalists will work in the future - a convergence of still and video. Basically at least 60 frames per second with each frame having the capability of providing a relatively large and detailed photograph. That's what we need for proving our point...
Joined: 15 May 2007
Posts: 973
Location: north-east victoria
Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:59 pm Post Subject:
we had the most graphic proof today, that chemtrail spraying in this area is
a) designed to induce drought
b) coordinated with HAARP / Woodpecker electromagnetic phased and resonant systems
the weather radar showed the faint drizzle that got through the Dark Forces attack, falling in small patches that lined up in long straight rows, both horizontally and vertically, in lines over a 400 km. range, about 30 km. apart, and sometimes about 40 km., but the clearest and most convincing examples were 30 km. spacings
the evidence in the sky was just as clear.......jets off the usual vectors, producing massive chemtrails, (yes, chemtrails) followed immediately by jets producing normal contrails, if anything (as has been the usual case in two years of concentrated observation), the jets producing the heavy trails were flying lower than the jets with normal trails
and guess what? you guessed,??? there was rain predicted which did not fall
we're moving out of here in a few days, and the best thing about this, for me, is getting away from these cursed and tragic chemtrails
hopefully i'll never have occasion to ever mention them again (chemtrails, i mean)
those on this forum who don't have to put up with the assault on a regular basis, can breathe a sigh of relief, and go back to a secure feeling based on healthy scepticism, and regular lattes
Joined: 08 Mar 2008
Posts: 100
Location: Marlborough Sounds
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:41 am Post Subject:
Hi Steve,while I am definitely a novice on all this stuff I was getting the same impressions over here last summer.ie rain forecast,heavy chemtrails, no rain,it just seemed obvious the more I looked.Especially over the Waihopai spy base.And once I started finding out the basics on Haarp systems it sort of seems to add up in my paranoid little brain.But then this spring we have had the odd heavy chemtrail day but also the wettest spring in ages.But definitely our skies seem to be real busy at night time.So its all a bit hard to follow but definitely not "normal"
Joined: 15 May 2007
Posts: 973
Location: north-east victoria
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:09 pm Post Subject:
hi, A.B., there has been some solid research done by some regular contributors on this site
have a look at Waihopai on google earth, just to the west of the base is a paddock with three large irrigation circles
by some great coincidence, these irrigation systems crop up next door to,or right on top of , almost every one of the military bases from Oregon, all the way down into Mexico
i spent hours looking, a few months back, just from memory i'm guessing i counted thirty groups of these circles, maybe more, next to military bases, private airports, communications towers etc
suggesting that there's a need to pump water out of the ground at all these places
suggesting that there may be one secret system, across national borders, utilising some kind of energy, for some purpose, which from other indications we can suspect is probably not intended to benefit most of us, nor is it likely to be beneficial for life in general on this planet
Joined: 08 Mar 2008
Posts: 100
Location: Marlborough Sounds
Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:16 pm Post Subject:
Yeah Steve, those centre pivot irrigators I think belong to Bankhouse Station.Which I heard was owned by some young millionaire from Auckland,then I heard there could be financial trouble there ,but he had other investors in it so it was alright.Anyway its a corporate farm so who knows what the story is as it is tied up with a lot of other properties in the south.
