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Mercury in CFLs – special investigation
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treknut72



Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Posts: 21
Location: Hamilton, NZ

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:48 pm    Post Subject: Mercury in CFLs – special investigation  

One of my energy saving light bulbs (in my 1yo daughters bedroom) was emitting a peculiar smell within minutes of turning it on. I went investigating on the web as to what it could be as it is not the first time I have had "trouble" with this type of bulb.
What I found out was that the bulb itself was probably not sealed properly and the smell was more than likely the gases slowly escaping into the room.
This gas contains MERCURY. Is this good stuff to breath? I think not.

Through my searches I came across this article. Please read and then change your light bulbs. For the sake of your brain.

http://www.thebriefingroom.com/archives/2008/08/mercury_in_cfls.html#more
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smashdracs



Joined: 23 Nov 2005
Posts: 1001
Location: Wellington NZ

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:18 pm    Post Subject:  

Also if you break one of these bulbs in a room with carpet you must rip up the carpet and dispose of it safely and any material covered furniture etc.
Do not vacuum up after a breakage as this will disperse the mercury throughout the air.

If you are renting unfortunately you will have no idea of whether or not anyone has previously broken any of these bulbs in your flat prior to you moving in and if they did you wouldn't know if they took the appropriate decontamination steps.
You will just have to have faith that everyone is well educated on all this.

Extreme care must be taken when replacing these bulbs as they are much more delicate than standard incandescent light bulbs and break very easily.

We will have no choice but to use these bulbs shortly as they will soon be compulsory.
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treknut72



Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Posts: 21
Location: Hamilton, NZ

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:49 pm    Post Subject:  

That's another big question to. Where do you dispose mercury safely? At your local tip?
With the amount of these light bulbs already going into the tips and the fact that mercury has a cumulative effect, isn't there an environmental issue here?

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If you are renting unfortunately you will have no idea of whether or not anyone has previously broken any of these bulbs in your flat prior to you moving in and if they did you wouldn't know if they took the appropriate decontamination steps.
You will just have to have faith that everyone is well educated on all this.


This is also the case when buying a house
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smashdracs



Joined: 23 Nov 2005
Posts: 1001
Location: Wellington NZ

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:29 pm    Post Subject:  

The only way to be sure is to demand your landlord replaces all carpet before you move in.
If you are purchasing a house you should demand all carpet is replaced.

The best bet is to move into a place with polished wood floors. You can always give it a really good mop.
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Crakka



Joined: 07 Aug 2008
Posts: 1847
Location: The Wild West

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:44 pm    Post Subject:  

Yet another brain poison being forced upon us! When will the masses wake up and realise what's going on? Never it seems with all this stuff going on! Everyday we hear about some new hazard - and it's ALWAYS something that affects brain function in one way or another. This from the linked article, the last sentence being key -

"The Maine Ambient Air Guideline (MAAG) of 300 ng/m3 is identical to the EPA reference concentration (RfC), which is designed to protect against chronic exposure. The RfC is based on a number of occupational studies, in which tremor, fine motor deficits, electroencephalography (EEG) and autonomic nervous system abnormalities, and cognitive deficits were observed.

"A no-effect level (the level at which no adverse affects are observed) was not identified in these studies."


Time to start stocking up on masses of incandescents before they start disappearing from the shelves. Wonder when the "lightbulb police" will start patrolling lol? "Oh hello m'am we're just here on a routine check. There was a burglary at one of your neighbour's house and we're just asking if anyone saw anything. Oh... I see you still have some of the "illegal" incandescent lightbulbs on your ceiling there. You realise you can be arrested for that!" :roll:
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treknut72



Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Posts: 21
Location: Hamilton, NZ

Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:33 pm    Post Subject:  

I was talking to few of my work mates last night about CFL's and was informed by one of that the fluoro tubes we use in the machines are breaking all the time, (Same stuff, just a different vessel), and that the only way these things are cleaned up is by using a dust-buster and then dumped in the skip.
Apparently, the procedure is to keep them separate from general rubbish and disposed of them at a collection point, but that incurs a cost to us and it is cheaper just to throw them in the bin. :x

It also occurred that the amount of mercury vapour in the air really can't be good for us.

With this in mind, I put forward the theory that this could be why depression affects so many of us at my place of work and why the place is so easily addictive to the customers.

Any suggestions as to where to go or who to ask to get this checked out?
Any input would be gratefully considered?


Another thought just struck me whilst writing this, am I just being paranoid? :lol:
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steve clougher



Joined: 15 May 2007
Posts: 973
Location: north-east victoria

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:26 am    Post Subject:  

treknut, i lived in Hamilton for three years, also, other cities, Auckland seven years, London two years, Vancouver one year, you get the picture, cities are quintessentially wrong, there's no way around it

Babylon was two thirds gardens and parks

unfortunately this was not enough

modern cities are hugely too big, and undeniably inhuman

without these cancers on the face of the earth, there would be no accelerated extinctions

think about it
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Crakka



Joined: 07 Aug 2008
Posts: 1847
Location: The Wild West

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:50 am    Post Subject:  

I happen to agree with Steve on this point.

In relation to Energy Saving Bulbs though - surely the biggest worry is how these are being snapped up by the public. They've been on special so many times and I've seen them whip off the shelves of local supermarkets. My point though - how many of the general public will know the dangers or dispose of them any other way than in with the household rubbish. Be prepared for mass mercury poisoning in the near future as our tips become massive toxic waste dumps! I dump rubbish & green waste regularly at a local tip and I feel sorry for those workers there that are pushing the rubbish around with no protective gear on from this point onwards... This is a real worry folks!
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A Butler



Joined: 08 Mar 2008
Posts: 100
Location: Marlborough Sounds

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:02 pm    Post Subject:  

Hi treknut,re those mercury vapours.If your worried you should buy some ascorbic acid(Bin Inn has it) and take a small teaspoon a day .As vitamin c will help your body get rid of toxic metals.I have just started doing this as I am getting a bit paranoid living under the main flight path south.Plus I smashed 2 of those bloody light bulbs trying to put them in the cowshed.(we have removed them from the house after finding out more about them)And my memory is absolute crap at the moment. :(
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treknut72



Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Posts: 21
Location: Hamilton, NZ

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:35 pm    Post Subject:  

Quote:
modern cities are hugely too big, and undeniably inhuman

without these cancers on the face of the earth, there would be no accelerated extinctions


This I already know and am quietly working on ideas to get myself and my family away. :D

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Be prepared for mass mercury poisoning in the near future as our tips become massive toxic waste dumps!
:x

One of my points exactly.
As I already said, I have started telling people about the dangers of the CFLs and have found it relatively easy to convince them. All it takes is for people like us to spread the word. It aint hard.

Thanks for the tip, A Butler. Will be looking into that next day or two. 8)
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smashdracs



Joined: 23 Nov 2005
Posts: 1001
Location: Wellington NZ

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:42 pm    Post Subject:  

I found this test kit for detecting mercury levels.
I guess you could wet a patch of carpet and syringe up the water to test for mercury.
They also have kits for testing how much you have in your body.

http://heavymetalstest.com/_hgkit.php
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Disseminate



Joined: 18 Aug 2008
Posts: 25
Location: Test Tube

Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:24 am    Post Subject:  

I saw an advertisement in the supermarket the other day "5 CFL's for $10" - granted, it didn't say CFL, but rather ecobulb. However, I thought - hmmm this scandal must have hurt their pockets.

Anytime a government turns around and makes a particular product mandatory, ask yourself: what's in it for them?
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