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John Anderson
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:33 pm Post Subject: Tangimoana Revealed |
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For those interested in secret spy bases in New Zealand, Tangimoana can now be viewed on Google Earth in reasonable detail (it has for some months actually). Since the inception of the service Tangimoana had always been hidden within a strip of very low resolution image, unlike Waihopai. There was some speculation that this was deliberate, however, seems not, because now with the last Google Earth update of images in that area it lies fully revealed in all its glory...
Closeup of the Base:
The general area of Tangimoana. The base is located at the centre bottom of the image:
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Deano
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:16 pm Post Subject: |
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| Wow im surprised they changed the resolution for that area, as I understood it most of the spy bases had no detail. Is this not so with the other bases as well? |
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Deano
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:19 pm Post Subject: |
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| ...and good to see you posting again John, we missed your knowledge, don't hold out on us buddy :D |
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John Anderson
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:00 am Post Subject: |
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Hi Deano,
| Quote: | | Wow im surprised they changed the resolution for that area, as I understood it most of the spy bases had no detail. Is this not so with the other bases as well? |
The Waihopai base has always been presented in relatively high rez. As it is so visible from the road we speculated that it would have been pointless to muddy it on Google Earth. Tangimoana is not visible from anywhere, as far as we know, and we wondered if they had something to hide - large scale abnormal antenna perhaps. Now I think that there is nothing to hide, at least that can be seen from a satellite image. Probably plenty to hide within the operation though... Nice to see it at last.
We're no experts on secret bases. Maybe some secret base researcher will come forward on the forum and add to our knowledge. Though not an SIS version of Hector hopefully... :shock:
BTW, the 'T' on the lower image marks the location of where we took the pics of trails that started our so-called 'Great Chemtrail Chase'...
| Quote: | | ...and good to see you posting again John, we missed your knowledge, don't hold out on us buddy |
Thanks, :D knowledge is acquired at a great cost of time and brain-pain. I tend to be rather cautious when I post, perhaps excessively so, and go to great lengths to get my facts right. I'm not a fast typer though I've been coming to grips with the Dragon lately, i.e. the speech recognition programme, and when I master it, hopefully I will be more productive. There are many articles to write for Mysterious New Zealand... |
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magical1
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:15 am Post Subject: |
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OK so this is a new thing for me... So excuse if I ask any obvious questions...
If a base is a "secret spy base" then how do you get to know about it? Is it speculation or is it confirmed?
Also what kind of operations are carried out do you think? We pay for it, right?
Very interesting, No hiding from Google Earth eh! |
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John Anderson
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:18 am Post Subject: |
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Hi Magical,
| Quote: | OK so this is a new thing for me... So excuse if I ask any obvious questions...
If a base is a "secret spy base" then how do you get to know about it? Is it speculation or is it confirmed? Also what kind of operations are carried out do you think? We pay for it, right? |
The bases at Waihopai Valley and at Tangimoana are not secret as to their existence, but the details of their real activities are. Waihopai has tried to put on a more open and friendly face to the public in recent years, I think they even had an open day. Ostensibly, the bases are run by the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) but are reputed to be controlled by the NSA.
Try to obtain a copy of Niky Hagar's book; 'Secret Power - New Zealand's Role in the International Spy Network'. This is a fascinating read and will answer most of your questions. Your local library may have it. We got ours from a second hand bookstore.
The Wikipedia entry on the book:
| Quote: | Secret Power - New Zealand's Role in the International Spy Network, published in 1996, was Hager's first book. The book is about the type of spying known as Signals Intelligence (Sigint) that involved electronic eavesdropping between countries. It is based on interviews with staff in New Zealand's Sigint agency, the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB), who revealed the workings of the agency in minute detail: the intelligence targets, equipment, operating procedures, security systems and training, as well as the staff and layout of the intelligence agency's facilities. It revealed detail about New Zealand's participation in the so-called UKUSA Agreement facilitating intelligence gathering and sharing between the United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. In particular, Hager documented the US-coordinated ECHELON system, through which the five agencies intercept and process huge volumes of international e-mail, fax and telephone communications. As a result the insights into the New Zealand agency provide information about the allied agencies as well. The book makes special mention of GCSB's facilities at Waihopai and Tangimoana. The book contained two forewords; one written by former New Zealand Prime Minister, David Lange and one by Jeffrey T. Richelson, a leading author on U.S. intelligence agencies and the author of the books America's Secret Eyes in the Sky and The Ties That Bind.
Hager was one of the earliest to write about the secretive ECHELON world-wide electronic spy network. As a result of his book, in 2001 he testified before the European Parliament on his research into the network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicky_Hager |
The Green party is the only parliamentary party opposed to secret bases as far as I know:
http://www.greens.org.nz/campaigns/sis/
| Quote: | | Very interesting, No hiding from Google Earth eh! |
It would seem not... However Google Earth still thinks we live at our last address - we can still see our car parked in the drive there. :) |
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secondfield
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Ah yes...
Tangimoana was unknown to the public until kiwi peace activist Owen Wilkes discovered it in the early 80's. His mate said there was a queer looking radio station down the road from where he lived and Owen recognised its purpose immediately from seeing similar installations over europe.
He blew the whistle to the press, and an amazed public was finally made aware of its presence. I believe Rob Muldoon (a 33rd) was responsible for the formation of GCSB and subsequent construction of 'listening' bases.
Being a radio nut I have travelled there a few times to have a nosey, and ostenibly risked prosecution by driving down the 'no-go' road an past the base to check out their antenna array's.
Tangimoana, as opposed to Waihopai, is a HF (high frequency) monitoring station. This translates to 'short wave' radio (1-30Mhz). Waihopai supposedly monitors satellite based communications (non-terrestial) while Tangimoana listens to the much lower but further travelling (globally) radio frequencies. These are refracted off the ionosphere and bounce round the planet.They used to have all manner of weird and wonderful antenna arrays, but these days there are only two. One is a circular HFDF (high frequency, direction finding) array and the other is a giant 'rhombic' for the lower part of the HF spectrum (0.5- 7 Mhz). These antenna can determine the direction and origin of radio transmissions by triangulation with other such listening stations located around the world.
You can see the circular array in a paddock just to the immediate left of the main building. They once had an amazing looking hi-gain curtain array and what is known as a 'log periodic' antenna which may or may not have been used in the application of 'electronic countermeasures' or 'electronic warfare'. One engineer once told me they had for a time the most powerful RF (radio frequency) transmitter in NZ located there.
The base's location was apparently chosen because:
a. It was on landcorp (Govt) land.
b. It was secluded.
c. Because of the iron sand base surrounding it, made the area extremely radio quiet due to whats know as a low 'noise floor'. Urban and electrically disturbed areas are inherently noisy for radio reception and they needed an electrically quiet enviroment.
Do a google search on echelon bases and you can obtain the KMZ files for google earth of many other such listening bases.
I was fortunate enough to speak to an old timer who had a hand in rigging the antenna there. One particulary high gain array (the curtain type-looks like a giant spider web) they were installing began throwing riggers around by zapping them with RF energy. This was being picked up from the HF transmitter site at himatangi 30 odd km away and magnified by the hi gain antenna!. Talk about free power eh. Apparently, if you live close to the 50KW 2YA transmitter in wellys you can string out an antenna and charge up yer AA ni-cad's.
Check Nicky Hagers book for pictures and descriptions of the array(s).
If you want to go down the rabbit hole further, study Bruce Cathies books and then have a squizz at the geometric / harmonic relationships between these places. You may be in for a few surprises...
Apparently light and waveforms are what make up our universe (energy, magnetic's and gravity being functions of light). The sun is a great big radio frequency generator that oscillates right up through the visible light spectrum too, and brings our world to life. Possibly by activating codes inherent in our planets myriad of DNA based lifeforms (switching on the reciever) to generate a neat looking hologram according to the RNA structured info contained therin.
Dunno what that has to do with our secret bases, but odds are some very clever buggers with split second timing could engineer a similar process. i always remember my electronics tutor saying electronics and the magic of radio used to be called 'applied physics' back in the day.
Anyway - getting off topic now, gotta lay off that pot....
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There appears to be a bit of activity going on at Waihopai lately.. Our fellow blogger and info trooper Ruapaka recently was kind enough to pass this picture on to me of the above mentioned base.
Either they are building another Radome there or theres a whacking great phased array radar sitting in the compound pointing at the sky....
hmmmmm.... what could that be for? :shock: |
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John Anderson
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secondfield
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Looks like they may be upgrading the capabilities of the facility judging by ongoing work there... There also seems to be a regular cadre of staff there now, it used to be practically deserted and completely automated.
| Quote: | Like other Echelon stations, the Waihopai installation is protected by electrified fences, intruder detectors and infra-red cameras. A year after publishing his book, Hager and New Zealand TV reporter John Campbell mounted a daring raid on Waihopai, carrying a TV camera and a stepladder. From open, high windows, they then filmed into and inside its operations centre.
They were astonished to see that it operated completely automatically. |
Anyone remember seeing the TV report on the above? (circa 97')
Apparently they also filmed INMARSAT (communications satellite) documents / manuals sitting on the desk in the op's center.
This indicated the target(s) of the two dish's that sit under the radome's. Dunno how they breached all that high tech / deadly perimeter security with just a step ladder...... :roll:
When the station was first commissioned for construction it was deemed a 'transit circle observing station'. The purpose of this was to observe (radio) astronomical precessions. This was mentioned in Bruce Cathies ' Harmonic conquest of space'.
An interesting purpose indeed. But no, the buggers duped us and now use it for spying only. Dirty rats. Or could it also serve another purpose? one deeply hidden within several more layers of the onion. Anyone see the movie 'The quiet earth'?. Good ole Bruno Lawrence in one of his more laid back roles :lol:
Alas, too much sci-fi and pot for me again... :oops:
It's still interesting to note the NSA had an ongoing interest with the Blenheim area going way back to the 60's as well. A super secret radio type installation was constructed at one end of Woodbourne RNZAF Airbase. Kiwi's were not at all privy as to what went on there. It was very high security, used a hell of alot of power and packed up and vanished some years before Waihopai was built not too far away.
Ufologists also note that an extraordinarily high number of unexplained aerial phenonomen have been reported in the locale, dating back to 1909 and still ongoing. Some very striking reports have come from Waihopai valley itself. See UFOCUSNZ's website for more info. |
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smashdracs
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secondfield
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:32 pm Post Subject: |
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Ill Bloody say.. :lol:
Not to mention the 30 thousand odd volt electro fence...
Mind you if ya touched it you'd damn near land through the roof of the operations building! :shock: |
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Crakka
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Noticed that a feature in a picture of Waihopai from indymedia.org.nz I viewed recently is also present in the zoomed-out second picture of John's above. Note the circles. Sorry if this has already been posted elsewhere but I couldn't find it in a quick scan. Have a look then go back to John's pic and see similar things on both sides of the base.
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secondfield
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:16 pm Post Subject: |
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Yep'
Theres been a bit of discussion about them in the past.
Essentially they form a part of a pivot irrigation system, drawing groundwater up from underneath the surface, to irrigate paddocks / crops above.
The funny thing is, if you look at several high security military bases / sites in the us (china lake for example) there are similar irrigation systems employed directly around the bases themselves. Now China lake has long been rumored to have a large underground component to the installation.
The pivot irrigation systems employed around these areas would be perfect for drawing out undesired groundwater from around an underground installation.
There is a river that runs by Waihopai base that has a 'flue' or inlet (manmade) just next to it. You can see this on google earth. Now, apparently, the river cannot be used for any sort of irrigation (local by-law). There is also a large water storage pond to the left of the base.
Tangimoana echelon also has a large pivot irrigation system in use not far to its center of operations.
Have a look at this document and in the last chapter discusses those circles with some GE screenshots of the water flue also ...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2190350/World-GridBruce-Cathie-Chemtrails-UFOs-secret-bases-New-Zealand-
Just click on the download tab if you would like the PDF version of it... |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:56 pm Post Subject: |
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Yeah I'd heard that before and thought that's what they were but had never seen both photos together before to see the similarity.
I was going to mention the fact that both have rivers in similarly close proximity too. Strikes me that if there's inlets to draw water from the river then maybe it's not so much about "removing excess ground water". Maybe another reason? One might assume that around HAARP facilities they could possibly even be used to remove water into the atmosphere somehow for some reason related to weather manipulation, etc. Just a thought (as far-fetched as it might sound)... |
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secondfield
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Well crakka' we are living in far fetched times .....
I wouldnt discount any possibility too soon...
After all those clowns on the council are trying to tell us its gonna cost 1.3 billion dollars to build a shitty little road called 'transmission gulley'. Thats not the american billion, thats our billion (999,000,000)+.
We the suckers... |
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A Butler
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| Im pretty sure the area where those centre pivots are at Waihopai has been leased to a company making Biofuels and they are growing oilseed rape and barley under the pivots.The land is leased from "wine growers of ARA" which I think is a Auckland based wine company with a large vineyard in Marlborough.If thats any use. |
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secondfield
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:07 pm Post Subject: |
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| Not to mention those poor buggers trying to make biofuels and our govt stonewalling them into regulated nightmare ... |
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Tranceformer
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As well as they known spybases do any readers here know if we have any D.U.M.B.s (Deep Underground Military Bases) here in New Zealand such as the ones at Pine Gap or Mt Ziel in Australia?
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A Butler
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| Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:55 pm Post Subject: |
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| DUMBs in NZ? now THAT would be scary.But I cant imagine it, but would love to know if theres even a hint of one. |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:37 am Post Subject: |
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| A Butler wrote: | | ...But I cant imagine it... |
You don't have a very active imagination then do you :P
I can imagine anything I want but then 99% of what I imagine turns out to be just pure imagination :wink: Hehe! :D |
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A Butler
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| Dont worry crakka I have a very VERY active imagination,probably to active according to most people I know. But seriously I wonder how easy it would be to build one what with our earthquake liability and the fact we have a small little nosy population,surely someone would blabber.Still I struggle sometimes not to believe in Taniwhas,and they must live underground :shock: |
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Niksta
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:54 am Post Subject: |
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Taniwhas are just underground streams that appear to have a disturbing energy, not all underground streams disturb, but some seem too.
Of course our wallyhood ..oops hollywood conditioned mind immediately wants to see some demon or goblin.
It's just one of those bizarre things in nature, like Feng Shui, some spots 'feel' nice and others very much not nice. Depends on how sensitive you are.
That's what I think and I'm sticking to it! :D
As for a facility, not far from me the godsquad (brethren) have built a hooooge building with virtually no windows with a house in front of it and a real industrial strength security fence. No one bats and eye, assuming the chosen ones are carrying one with their fun and games in private.
A bit of camouflage goes a long way :wink: |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:54 am Post Subject: |
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| A Butler wrote: | | Dont worry crakka I have a very VERY active imagination,probably to active according to most people I know. |
Haha! Yeah I know what you mean :wink: |
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Niksta
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| oops I was gonna say of the Taniwhas - "black spots" on our road like the ones near Hamilton and Meremere are evidence of geopathic greeblies. Usually accompanying swamp type areas. |
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secondfield
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| Quote: | | As for a facility, not far from me the godsquad (brethren) have built a hooooge building with virtually no windows |
That be Gisborne eh ... photo's.. photo's please.. |
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Niksta
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:11 am Post Subject: |
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| Back in a jiff with photo outside a church which should make you laugh |
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secondfield
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| Quote: | On the surface there was nothing spectacular about the Southern Group headquarters at Cracroft, they looked like a typical military base with a Mess Hall, Airman's Quarters, etc. Underneath the ground however there was something out of the ordinary, a top secret set of caverns and tunnels designed to be the underground nerve centre for the military defence of the South Island.
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Well theres one for a start ... built inside and extinct volcano. Cashmere, just out of ChCh...
Theres another thread about it on MNZ somewhere ... |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:21 am Post Subject: |
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That quote appears to come from this site secondfield (8th paragraph down) - http://www.ringlaser.org.nz/content/cashmere_cavern_laboratory.php
Interesting reading. Considering the average person knows nothing about this kind of thing but it's there online for everyone to see, one could speculate it's either the tip of the iceberg or at the very least just one publicly accessible example of a number of facilities hidden in plain view.
I think many people have grown up with rumours of hidden tunnels, etc in their midst. For me it was tunnels that are supposed to run under Mt Albert that some older residents say they have accessed on numerous occasions and are apparently still there but the entrances/exits are located on "private" properties around the slopes of the extinct volcano. Various tales say that they are part of a network that is all linked together under parts of Auckland. I just thought maybe they were old volcanic vent holes or fissures formed by escaping gas during eruption & cooling. Then there's that well-known fictional tale "Under The Mountain" that apparently is being made into a movie.... :D |
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Crakka
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:33 am Post Subject: |
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And while we're on the subject of volcanos here's a link to some info on the AUCKLAND VOLCANO Seismic Monitoring Network - http://www.gns.cri.nz/what/earthact/volcanoes/arc/mon.html
Just thought I'd slide that in out of interest rather than any relation to the topic of this thread :)
Glancing at the map of station locations it looks like a big perfectly laid out "cross" through the middle of Auckland with the Navy Ammunition Store in Birkenhead at it's tip and the ARC at it's centre connection point :wink: Is Auckland to be crucified at some stage? A trial by fire maybe as the "dormant" volcanos are brought back to life by a large earthquake? The media certainly likes to stoke that particular fire from time time hehe! Oh man, conspiracy is everywhere lol! :D |
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Niksta
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Well g*d seems to have other plans for my photos of the brethrens place, first my camera played up, then when I went back there were folks lurking around. Just as well, this thread has naught to do with this.
| Quote: | Oh man, conspiracy is everywhere lol!
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You mean there's not? :D |
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